City & FFP | 2020/21 Accounts released | Revenues of £569.8m, £2.4m profit (p 2395)

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yeah whatever !! said:
cibaman said:
gordondaviesmoustache said:
It surely depends on what view is taken on the Etihad deal. That holds the key.

Mail says the Etihad deal isn't the problem (warning: reading this article might make you want to cut your throat)

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2625288/Man-Citys-title-win-years-decide-battle-UEFA-sanction-breaking-FFP-rules.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footba ... rules.html</a>

Tbh Id rather cut my throat than give them cunts a hit.. cut and paste it fella.
It's not really worth the read TBH but here goes :-

Man City's title win could be their last for years as they decide whether to battle UEFA sanction for breaking FFP rules

Manchester City’s expected title win may be their last for a few years as the club face a massive decision on Sunday as to whether to fight UEFA over their punishments for breaching Financial Fair Play rules.
City face an invidious choice today; either to appeal against the fine and squad restrictions that are being placed upon them and risk being thrown out of the Champions League next season; or to accept a punishment which would disrupt their summer recruitment programme and see them having to sell players to balance the books over the next three years.

Given the risks involved in appealing, it looks as though they will be massively restricted over the next few years, with their model of signing up the biggest and best players due an urgent rethink.
And the planned £40million signings of defender Eliaquim Mangala and midfielder Fernando from Porto, which are in their final stages, could be the first casualties.
If City want to go ahead they will have to sell off other key players such as Stevan Jovetic, Aleksandar Kolarov and Alvaro Negredo to balance the books.
Crucially, English players who they might have sold, such as Jack Rodwell, Micah Richards and Scott Sinclair, may have to stay because the Champions League restrictions mean City need English players rather than foreigners to bolster their European squad.

Whatever City decide, it looks as though it will have a negative impact on their potential to challenge for titles at the same level.
UEFA have ruled that City have committed a massive breach of the FFP rules, equivalent to the over-spending of Paris Saint-Germain, with The Mail on Sunday calculating they could have missed the target by more than £100m.
If City accept the punishment, they will pay a £16m fine in each of the next three years and must accept a limit of 21 players rather than the usual 25 in their Champions League squad, which would also be subject to a wage cap.
Of the 21-man squad, eight players would still have to be home-grown, which means only 13 of their current 15 foreign stars will be able to play Champions League football. If Mangala and Fernando were to sign, City would face the embarrassment of telling four foreign players that they cannot play in Europe’s elite tournament next year.

City’s transfer strategy will also have to change massively if they agree to the punishment. Effectively they have three years to put their house in order and bring down losses to around £25m spread over that three-year period. That will only be achieved by enormous cost cutting.
It will almost inevitably lead to the sale of players to raise funds, which is a policy Chelsea adopted to meet the rules, evident in the £37m sale of Juan Mata to Manchester United in January.
Players not central to the City first team, such as Jovetic, Kolarov and Negredo, may have to go as City attempt to balance the books and it will also limit the amount of spending they can do this summer, with City likely to be more restricted in the transfer market than before.
City’s problem with UEFA has not been caused by their £350m Etihad sponsorship deal, as widely thought. They failed to meet UEFA’s requirements because the governing body have ruled that their recorded loss last season of £51.6m was artificially decreased.
Within that set of accounts, City said they had sold intellectual property rights to a third party for £24.5m and another set of intellectual property rights to a related company for £22.45m.

Those deals covered assets such as players’ image rights and scouting databases. Without those deals their real loss would have been almost £99m.
Crucially, UEFA rules allow clubs an exemption for players’ contracts signed before 2010 — but that only applies if you meet the rules. Given that City were deemed to have failed by such a large margin, they do not qualify for that exemption.
It seems City were relying on that exemption and the intellectual property rights deals to get them over the line. Now they cannot write off those contracts signed before 2010, even allowing for other exemptions that they can make for investing in youth football and their stadium, their breach of the rules over the past two years could be as much as £100m more than the £37m which UEFA permits.
That is why they face severe punishments. Going forward, they must work towards balancing the books by 2017, which can only be achieved by massive cost cutting.
 
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citysix said:
UEFA v the might of Abu Dhabi ..oniy one winner # champions
The problem for us is that UEFA cannot allow us to win this now as their whole pack of cards would come tumbling down if we did.
Personally i think a deal will have to be made that allows both sides to save face.
 
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LoveCity said:
Simon (Mullock) says:

Manchester City face expulsion from Champions League over FFP as they fight on

Manchester City are heading for a Financial Fair Play showdown with UEFA.

The Blues, who will claim the Premier League title for the second time in three years if they avoid defeat against West Ham today, have refused to accept a punishment for allegedly breaching financial regulations.

The deadline to accept a £50million fine and restrictions on their Champions League squad expired on Friday night.

City’s fate will now be decided by UEFA’s club financial control body, which has the power to expel them from European competition.

But the club’s Abu Dhabi-based owners are now committed to take their fight all the way to the Court of Arbitration for Sport. City have attempted to cut losses since FFP was introduced and expected their efforts to comply would be recognised by UEFA.

But the refusal of senior club officials to publicly acknowledge FFP – the regulations were not even mentioned in City’s annual accounts – is a clear indication of their belief that the regulations contravene European law.

City’s lawyers have been building a case to destroy FFP in its current guise for the last three years.

And their resolve has been strengthened further by a belief that Qatar-owned French club Paris Saint-Germain have been treated more favourably by UEFA.

The war - that's what Iike.
 
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I can honestly say I have no clue what is going on, nor what is going to happen. I was convinced UEFA would have to back down and it was all brinkmanship, but I just don't know now and this rumoured "announcement" after the game today really worries me.

But to all of those saying "we should sue the bastards", do bear in mind guys we might very well not win.

First off, layman's logic would lead you to believe our fine should be lower than PSG's and therefore should get the fine reduced if we go to CAS. But UEFA will doubtless have calculated our "sin" as being worse than PSG's after whatever adjustments they have made to our numbers. They must have some vaguely justifiable basis for our fine being higher, other than the fact that they don't like us. I can't see how we've failed at all personally, but if UEFA's audit firm has deemed certain transactions invalid and then our pre-2010 contracts cannot be excluded, then our losses for FFP purposes could be enormous. So the higher fine than PSG may be "justified" and could easily stick.

Second, if it goes all the way to the ECJ, we could lose there too. I don't know how many lawyers post on here, but I'll bet there are none who are specialists in European Law and how it applies to sport. Let alone how many are professors of European Law at Oxford University. Yet the man who has those qualifications says we "might" win in court, but we might not. It is no slam dunk. EUFA would not have introduced the rules without extensive legal consultation by similar experts who obviously believe it's watertight, or they would have drafted it differently. We may have a case, but the judges may deem that although the rules would normally contravene Employment or other laws, nevertheless they will allow them because in their view, they are justified in the context of the stated aims of FFP. There is precident for that decision being made in the past.

I am going to try to forget about this as best I can and concentrate on this afternoon. It's all too worrying and depressing at a time when we should be nothing but excited :-(
 
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So, if UEFA are as corrupt as I believe we'll be banned for 1 year Champions league, and instead of 5th placed team taking our place they'll "award" it to the team with the highest UEFA coefficient (just happens to be Manure).

Fight them MCFC, they're a bunch of back stabbing money grabbing cunts who have single-handedly ruined every European division.
 
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Dipped in and out of this thread since it started, whats become clear is that no-one has a clue about anything to do with how UEFA determine whether or not we have breached FFP, our deals are fair or what our punishments can be. A few weeks ago it was all 'we cant fail FFP' then it changed to 'it will be a slap on the wrists' and now its 'our lawyers will wipe the floor with them'. Lets face it, this is real and it is going to seriously affect any plans we had this summer and any plans we have going forward. We are not going to break even anytime soon despite what some people are imagining, as a result we are going to be easy targets for UEFA and the likes of Wenger in his quest to try and keep the status quo. It stinks of corruption and unfairness but its here and we need to face up to it.
 
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mac said:
If we win today with more sponsors wanting to be linked with the champions and the tv and prem money it must be worth 150 mil surely .

I think the club need to change their policy on sponsorships. We only go for blue chip partners - fewer sponsors but for big contracts... instead of the rags who will put their badhe on a turd for a few quid... we try for 1 × £40mil sponsor, they go for 40 × £1mil sponsors!
Now I'd never like to be as bad as them, but we need to start getting sponsors for training kit etc. to boost our coffers.
 
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FIFA and UEFA are nothing more than Quangoes, Blatter, and now Platini, have been shown to have ulterior motives, and / or use corrupt practices.
Now we have challenged the UEFA penalty, and after hopefully securing the title today, Monday we will await further developments, for me, we should fight them all the way, as there will no doubt be some dirty laundry Platini won't want airing in public when City's legal team get digging.
You can't just move the goalposts, or adding new hoops for us to jump through, this is big, big business, and like it or not, there are rules and regulations for trade in Europe, football isn't isolated and immune from these ,
Platini is nothing more than a school yard bully, demanding kids lunch money, a smack in face will make him think again.
 
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Bewar3them00n said:
FIFA and UEFA are nothing more than Quangoes, Blatter, and now Platini, have been shown to have ulterior motives, and / or use corrupt practices.
Now we have challenged the UEFA penalty, and after hopefully securing the title today, Monday we will await further developments, for me, we should fight them all the way, as there will no doubt be some dirty laundry Platini won't want airing in public when City's legal team get digging.
You can't just move the goalposts, or adding new hoops for us to jump through, this is big, big business, and like it or not, there are rules and regulations for trade in Europe, football isn't isolated and immune from these ,
Platini is nothing more than a school yard bully, demanding kids lunch money, a smack in face will make him think again.

Im starting to think we should tell them to shove the champions league and concentrate on winning the premiership every year for the next ten.....devalue their poxy competition due to the English champions not being in it...
 
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True_Blue69 said:
Dipped in and out of this thread since it started, whats become clear is that no-one has a clue about anything to do with how UEFA determine whether or not we have breached FFP, our deals are fair or what our punishments can be. A few weeks ago it was all 'we cant fail FFP' then it changed to 'it will be a slap on the wrists' and now its 'our lawyers will wipe the floor with them'. Lets face it, this is real and it is going to seriously affect any plans we had this summer and any plans we have going forward. We are not going to break even anytime soon despite what some people are imagining, as a result we are going to be easy targets for UEFA and the likes of Wenger in his quest to try and keep the status quo. It stinks of corruption and unfairness but its here and we need to face up to it.

The issue is, that UEFA seem to have moved the goalposts, from what was agreed, when it's was seen that we were going to comply and meet the regulations, they've altered the critiria .
Platini obviously doesn't want us to comply, he wants to penalise us, keep the old order in place, sorry, but the guy corrupt, I don't care how good a player he was, he's publicly stated he hates City. And what we are doing, this is reason enough to challenge UEFA
 

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