City & FFP | 2020/21 Accounts released | Revenues of £569.8m, £2.4m profit (p 2395)

Re: City & FFP (continued)

Legal action was never really an option, even though we would've had a good chance of winning. The consequences of going to war with UEFA would've been catastrophic in the long term. Sadly they knew it, and had us by the balls.

The whole thing stinks, but we had little choice but to reluctantly accept it. Our statement tonight suggests as much.

As fucked as the sanctions are, I think we can ride it out without it having a drastic consequence on our fortunes.

We were never likely to win the CL next season and if, as suggested we break even this year, the squad restriction will be lifted in 2015/16 and the financial hit will be relatively minor when offset against the new TV deal and future sponsorships.
 
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Balti said:
EalingBlue2 said:
johnmc said:
Anyway £60m buys us Sagna, Fernando, mangala and enough for a £20m signing on top. With Jovetic being like a new signing that's more than enough.

And that's without outgoings.

I suspect with a few outgoings we will have 80m to spend I would have been amazed had we spent more than that!

Remember we can get loans and sign people Milan style as well so if there is one we really need above this we could probably get more and comply

why should we even try to comply with made up cartel shite that means absolutely nowt?

tell them to fuck off and take it legal all the way to the ECJ
Because to do so would destroy today's side put us back 5 years and leave us staring again when we won in 3 or 4 years time. It would be like the person who wins a legal case but loses their house and everything they own in the process and realises whilst sleeping on the street that the satisfaction of victory was nothing compared to what was sacrificed on the way!
 
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ah well changes nowt

just shows how corrupt football is and where the cartel has its power base

fuck off rags and arsenil etc

you're shit and next season you will still be shit

xxx
 
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RandomJ said:
Ducado said:
everythingchangesbutblue said:
For the 1st time since we sacked Joe Royle am truly dissapointed with City. We've been dictated too by bent cartel twats and its a stick we will be beaten with for the next few years. I'm also wise to the fact not to believe so called bluemoon experts anymore. I still think that lawyer will bring ffp to its knees but still City have left everyone of us fans having to defend ourselves to gobshites for the next 2 years. Employ better financial people city ffs. Always a blue no matter what, see the username.

Stop being so dramatic, in life you have to compromise sometimes, take the pragmatic route, sometimes make the other party look like they have won so they can save face and most importantly you pick your battles! Stop being worried what other may say it matter not

It might not matter to you but I actually care about our clubs reputation and how we're seen by world football. If by accepting these sanctions we're now labelled a club of cheats that's unacceptable for me. If you're happy with that then carry on.

Good job you care - the rest of us don't give a **** Do you really think you know more about this than those within the club. It won't affect our transfer dealings or much else for that matter. Just keep telling your friends that. This is what you seem to be most worried about
 
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Bluep*ss said:
I will need a few days to digest this statement from the Club - I'm not the sharpest knife in the box(oh shit I've just cut myself) but can I ask a question.?
Will our pursuit of the Premier League be affected?. Does our squad meet the premier League's criteria especially home grown players?.
Do we need 8 HG.? As I understand it the Premier League are trying to bring in FFP as well.
In my view we have time to aim for the CL - the rags took 12 years I think(they entered European Cup in 1956). Arse have not won it - after 18 years in Europe . I say win the Premiership 3 or 4 times in say 6 years - that'll do me.

The squad is a balancing act each season depending on who we sign, which is why all this bollocks about signing every fucker for 50 mil each is frankly ridiculous.

If we get the players we are after, we will have to get rid of some (which it appears we are doing).

We won't have any experienced 'club trained' players if Micah goes, which reduces the squad by 4 effectively, but it was already reduced by 3 last season anyway, with just Micah qualifying. We can have as many U21's as we like, to make up the difference.
 
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RandomJ said:
corky1970 said:
strongbowholic said:
Ok, you are walking down the street and a copper stops you and tries to issue you with a spot fine for something you've not done. Do you accept it and in the process confirm your guilt or do you fight your corner and say "sorry plod, see you in court"?

I'm not clever enough to understand the ins and outs of football politics and the subtle nuances of how to play the corridors of power in Nyon so forgive me if my approach is somewhat naive and simplistic. However from where I am sat we've given every **** under the sun license to say "City were fined for failing FFP ergo they cheated, they cooked the books".

UEFA know FFP is fundamentally flawed.

ECA know FFP is fundamentally flawed.

The Premier League know FFP is fundamentally flawed.

City know FFP is fundamentally flawed.

You know FFP is fundamentally flawed.

Even I know FFP is fundamentally flawed.

Why the fuck are we accepting this?


We'll said mate , fucking makes my blood boil when someone tells you how to think about this, have your own thoughts and be pissed off if you want
I am , big time

Exactly. If I see one more person trying to twist this as a victory for the club I'm gonna tear my hair out. It's impossible for it to be a victory for the club because the club has been fucking shafted. And by bending over and taking that shafting every journalist, TV pundit, football fan, man on the street is going to think we cooked the books and are cheats. I'm livid the club has not fought this.


Comon, we can't kill em all at once.
 
Re: City & FFP (continued)

RandomJ said:
Ducado said:
everythingchangesbutblue said:
For the 1st time since we sacked Joe Royle am truly dissapointed with City. We've been dictated too by bent cartel twats and its a stick we will be beaten with for the next few years. I'm also wise to the fact not to believe so called bluemoon experts anymore. I still think that lawyer will bring ffp to its knees but still City have left everyone of us fans having to defend ourselves to gobshites for the next 2 years. Employ better financial people city ffs. Always a blue no matter what, see the username.

Stop being so dramatic, in life you have to compromise sometimes, take the pragmatic route, sometimes make the other party look like they have won so they can save face and most importantly you pick your battles! Stop being worried what other may say it matter not

It might not matter to you but I actually care about our clubs reputation and how we're seen by world football. If by accepting these sanctions we're now labelled a club of cheats that's unacceptable for me. If you're happy with that then carry on.
See City's statement

It would have been irresponsible for the stewards of the club to do anything else, and it's pretty transparent to football fans everywhere as to what's going on.

Everyone knows that City have bought success, and that the existing elite clubs wanted to stop that. Are you telling me that you can't win that argument
 
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Marvin said:
RandomJ said:
Ducado said:
Stop being so dramatic, in life you have to compromise sometimes, take the pragmatic route, sometimes make the other party look like they have won so they can save face and most importantly you pick your battles! Stop being worried what other may say it matter not

It might not matter to you but I actually care about our clubs reputation and how we're seen by world football. If by accepting these sanctions we're now labelled a club of cheats that's unacceptable for me. If you're happy with that then carry on.
See City's statement

It would have been irresponsible for the stewards of the club to do anything else, and it's pretty transparent to football fans everywhere as to what's going on.

Everyone knows that City have bought success, and that the existing elite clubs wanted to stop that. Are you telling me that you can't win that argument

yeah except they bought success before us the fucking hypocrites

''elite clubs''

fuck off mate

''elite'' clubs my fucking arse

they have no god given right ffs just cos they started spending more tv money earlier

hypocrites
 
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hello said:
YourBirdCanSing22 said:
AustinBlue said:
When you try and manipulate the press like that, it almost always blows up in your face. The media are more interested in your desire to change the story and make you look ever worse in the process. What you have described above is no reflective of the reality of how the media works and what power a club might have to frame the story. It also ignores the fact that if we try and shame any single person, then we make a real enemy. It is far more effective to work quietly and behind the scenes and build long term relationships.. and sometimes take some public punishment so someone can save face, but build in loopholes so the impact is minimal. It's not clear this was poorly handled. It could be this was brilliantly handled. How can you ever know?

You CAN know.

You look across the media landscape: From every tabloid to broadsheet to blog. You speak to people in the pub, in your work, and to fans of other clubs. And you take a general average of how many factual accuracies vs inaccuracies dominate the media and public opinion, with regard to City.

Until 2 weeks ago, when City clearly decided to change their policy, break their silence and start briefing journalists on this subject, 95% of ALL popular public opinion did not reflect the truth: That these ‘rules’ are a huge lie by a powerful mafia and have nothing whatsoever to do with ‘fairness.’

There were just one or two voices in the media questioning them, and they were drowned out by a media and public opinion that had been sold - and bought - UEFA’s bullshit, lock, stock and barrel.

And yet, in the last 2 weeks, a number of journalists, clearly briefed by the club have FINALLY started to chip away at the bullshit - writing/tweeting about the hypocrisy, comparing our debt-free status to the joke that passes for the Glazer debt ‘model’ and pointing to the huge regeneration in East Manchester as a reason for us not to be punished. But that little bit of good work will now be buried now by the avalanche of coverage about us being found ‘guilty,’ ‘caught’ and ‘stopped from spending’

It was too little, too late. It was a failed media strategy.

WHY did we wait almost 3 years to start fighting back via the press? Because we were VERY naive. We gave those lying, greedy hypocrites a 3 year head start in the PR war, when they had a huge advantage over us to begin with.

We lost the battle for hearts and minds, hands down. Yet I often read in these pages that Simon Pearce is such an influential PR man, and Vicky Kloss is a lovely person.

As others have said, our owners come from a completely different media culture. The media in Europe is dominated by sleaze and the interests of a handful of powerful people. When those same people are out to get you, and are playing dirty, sometimes, you have to fight back. Sometimes the high road doesn’t take you where you need it to.

So the only conclusion to be drawn is that anyone who's advising our owners that total silence is the right PR strategy against a media full of extremely powerful people who are out to get us is wrong, and probably out of their depth at this level.

The financial sanctions may not have affected us, but the soon-to-be worldwide belief that UEFA have won a ‘just’ battle or a ‘fair’ fight against our owners (Or even worse, we were caught out trying to 'cheat' the rules) is a huge defeat for us, in my opinion.
I said years ago Vicky kloss and her team needed to be replaced this whole charade just goes to show we are severely lacking on dealing with corrupt bent twats that constitute the vast majority of media here


So you are saying our owners don't know what they are doing?

I trust that our owners will have struck the best deal they can, Not passing FFP doesn't mean you have cheated it just means you have not met some criteria set by UEFA.
 

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