City & FFP | 2020/21 Accounts released | Revenues of £569.8m, £2.4m profit (p 2395)

Re: City & FFP (continued)

I will need a few days to digest this statement from the Club - I'm not the sharpest knife in the box(oh shit I've just cut myself) but can I ask a question.?
Will our pursuit of the Premier League be affected?. Does our squad meet the premier League's criteria especially home grown players?.
Do we need 8 HG.? As I understand it the Premier League are trying to bring in FFP as well.
In my view we have time to aim for the CL - the rags took 12 years I think(they entered European Cup in 1956). Arse have not won it - after 18 years in Europe . I say win the Premiership 3 or 4 times in say 6 years - that'll do me.
 
Re: City & FFP (continued)

Ducado said:
everythingchangesbutblue said:
For the 1st time since we sacked Joe Royle am truly dissapointed with City. We've been dictated too by bent cartel twats and its a stick we will be beaten with for the next few years. I'm also wise to the fact not to believe so called bluemoon experts anymore. I still think that lawyer will bring ffp to its knees but still City have left everyone of us fans having to defend ourselves to gobshites for the next 2 years. Employ better financial people city ffs. Always a blue no matter what, see the username.

Stop being so dramatic, in life you have to compromise sometimes, take the pragmatic route, sometimes make the other party look like they have won so they can save face and most importantly you pick your battles! Stop being worried what other may say it matter not

It might not matter to you but I actually care about our clubs reputation and how we're seen by world football. If by accepting these sanctions we're now labelled a club of cheats that's unacceptable for me. If you're happy with that then carry on.
 
Re: City & FFP (continued)

everythingchangesbutblue said:
For the 1st time since we sacked Joe Royle am truly dissapointed with City. We've been dictated too by bent cartel twats and its a stick we will be beaten with for the next few years. I'm also wise to the fact not to believe so called bluemoon experts anymore. I still think that lawyer will bring ffp to its knees but still City have left everyone of us fans having to defend ourselves to gobshites for the next 2 years. Employ better financial people city ffs. Always a blue no matter what, see the username.
Diddums are you going to have to defend yourselves to some gobshites? Any city fan who can't do that has real problems

We could beat rags in footballing arguments when they were 50 places above them in arguments so have nothing to fear now.

Is that why everyone wanted us to go to war because we couldn't cope as fans with gobshites!

I can't wait to get stuck into rags who think they have won with the reality of their victory
 
Re: City & FFP (continued)

Ducado said:
rugbyblue said:
RandomJ said:
Exactly. If I see one more person trying to twist this as a victory for the club I'm gonna tear my hair out. It's impossible for it to be a victory for the club because the club has been fucking shafted. And by bending over and taking that shafting every journalist, TV pundit, football fan, man on the street is going to think we cooked the books and are cheats. I'm livid the club has not fought this.

You don't own the club
You're not the MD, you're not on the board, it's not your decision to make
You're not the legal representatives.

No one on here, or in the media, knows why the decision was made. There's a broad press statement raising some factors but it's entirely possible the club said 'it's a one year impediment, let it go'.

Sometimes in legal situations you let stuff go, because it's too much effort, or cost or too risky to push ahead, even if you're in the right.

Who gives a fuck what random other people you don't give a shit about (seriously, journalists and pundits?) think?

The problem is here, is that many people are just ranting and not seeing the bigger picture, I can see why the club have decided not to pursue a legal challenge, they are being pragmatic knowing that there is one ongoing anyway

I am all for pragmatism Duc, and i always expected a compromise (or perhaps a complete climb down by UEFA).

What i did not expect is a pragamatic compromise where we accept pretty much all of their sanctions on the chin, and they don't give much at all.

We have either passed FFP, or narrowly missed it. And yet our "lesser" sanctions are wholly out of proportion to the alleged breach. I would like to say think how much worse it could have turned out, But honestly, how could it have been materially worse? How? Short of banning us outright, i don't know how it could have been worse.
 
Re: City & FFP (continued)

Exeter Blue I am here said:
RandomJ said:
corky1970 said:
We'll said mate , fucking makes my blood boil when someone tells you how to think about this, have your own thoughts and be pissed off if you want
I am , big time

Exactly. If I see one more person trying to twist this as a victory for the club I'm gonna tear my hair out. It's impossible for it to be a victory for the club because the club has been fucking shafted. And by bending over and taking that shafting every journalist, TV pundit, football fan, man on the street is going to think we cooked the books and are cheats. I'm livid the club has not fought this.

It stinks, but the potential consequences of mounting a full blown legal challenge included, in no particular order:

1. Being banned from the CL for a couple of years whilst the legal process took place
2. Potentially losing our best players because of that ban
3. No guarantee of victory at the end of it
4. Pissing UEFA off to the point we would never be invited to play in the CL again, or worse still bankrupting them and leaving the cartel to run the game completely, in their absence.

We were up against bent cunts, and all things considered we've escaped relatively unscathed (a Candlepool or Arseholenal appeal notwithstanding). Do you not think if it was as simple as just challenging UEFA in Court, winning, and all living happily ever after, our owners wouldn't have taken that option?
Correct.

Too high risk to take on UEFA, and it would destroy the hopes of fans and players

We've been pragmatic. Lost a battle, but we've been left in a position where we take a one year hit and can win the war.

Realistically the Champions don't need to spend £50m.
 
Re: City & FFP (continued)

Exeter Blue I am here said:
RandomJ said:
corky1970 said:
We'll said mate , fucking makes my blood boil when someone tells you how to think about this, have your own thoughts and be pissed off if you want
I am , big time

Exactly. If I see one more person trying to twist this as a victory for the club I'm gonna tear my hair out. It's impossible for it to be a victory for the club because the club has been fucking shafted. And by bending over and taking that shafting every journalist, TV pundit, football fan, man on the street is going to think we cooked the books and are cheats. I'm livid the club has not fought this.

It stinks, but the potential consequences of mounting a full blown legal challenge included, in no particular order:

1. Being banned from the CL for a couple of years whilst the legal process took place
2. Potentially losing our best players because of that ban
3. No guarantee of victory at the end of it
4. Pissing UEFA off to the point we would never be invited to play in the CL again, or worse still bankrupting them and leaving the cartel to run the game completely, in their absence.

We were up against bent cunts, and all things considered we've escaped relatively unscathed (a Candlepool or Arseholenal appeal notwithstanding). Do you not think if it was as simple as just challenging UEFA in Court, winning, and all living happily ever after, our owners wouldn't have taken that option?


Exactly and I think the cartel were banking on us appealing so they could wrap us up for good. But we outmanoeuvred them!!
 
Re: City & FFP (continued)

YourBirdCanSing22 said:
AustinBlue said:
TrueBlue1705 said:
Good points, I agree with most of that - I think are owners are trying to play by the rules and have been naive to say the least, not just on the PR side but also the fuckwit accountants we hired to make sure we complied with FFP need the boot, they are obviously taking millions of the owners and must have been telling them we are on course to comply!! ...

I am worried this has only just started I think Gill has plans to put a spanner in the works in the PL next. He and the Chelsea chairman are increasingly powerful, whilst Scudamore's position is becoming more difficult and he may not have the stomach to fight these guys...

When you try and manipulate the press like that, it almost always blows up in your face. The media are more interested in your desire to change the story and make you look ever worse in the process. What you have described above is no reflective of the reality of how the media works and what power a club might have to frame the story. It also ignores the fact that if we try and shame any single person, then we make a real enemy. It is far more effective to work quietly and behind the scenes and build long term relationships.. and sometimes take some public punishment so someone can save face, but build in loopholes so the impact is minimal. It's not clear this was poorly handled. It could be this was brilliantly handled. How can you ever know?

You CAN know.

You look across the media landscape: From every tabloid to broadsheet to blog. You speak to people in the pub, in your work, and to fans of other clubs. And you take a general average of how many factual accuracies vs inaccuracies dominate the media and public opinion, with regard to City.

Until 2 weeks ago, when City clearly decided to change their policy, break their silence and start briefing journalists on this subject, 95% of ALL popular public opinion did not reflect the truth: That these ‘rules’ are a huge lie by a powerful mafia and have nothing whatsoever to do with ‘fairness.’

There were just one or two voices in the media questioning them, and they were drowned out by a media and public opinion that had been sold - and bought - UEFA’s bullshit, lock, stock and barrel.

And yet, in the last 2 weeks, a number of journalists, clearly briefed by the club have FINALLY started to chip away at the bullshit - writing/tweeting about the hypocrisy, comparing our debt-free status to the joke that passes for the Glazer debt ‘model’ and pointing to the huge regeneration in East Manchester as a reason for us not to be punished. But that little bit of good work will now be buried now by the avalanche of coverage about us being found ‘guilty,’ ‘caught’ and ‘stopped from spending’

It was too little, too late. It was a failed media strategy.

WHY did we wait almost 3 years to start fighting back via the press? Because we were VERY naive. We gave those lying, greedy hypocrites a 3 year head start in the PR war, when they had a huge advantage over us to begin with.

We lost the battle for hearts and minds, hands down. Yet I often read in these pages that Simon Pearce is such an influential PR man, and Vicky Kloss is a lovely person.

As others have said, our owners come from a completely different media culture. The media in Europe is dominated by sleaze and the interests of a handful of powerful people. When those same people are out to get you, and are playing dirty, sometimes, you have to fight back. Sometimes the high road doesn’t take you where you need it to.

So the only conclusion to be drawn is that anyone who's advising our owners that total silence is the right PR strategy against a media full of extremely powerful people who are out to get us is wrong, and probably out of their depth at this level.

The financial sanctions may not have affected us, but the soon-to-be worldwide belief that UEFA have won a ‘just’ battle or a ‘fair’ fight against our owners (Or even worse, we were caught out trying to 'cheat' the rules) is a huge defeat for us, in my opinion.
I said years ago Vicky kloss and her team needed to be replaced this whole charade just goes to show we are severely lacking on dealing with corrupt bent twats that constitute the vast majority of media here
 
Re: City & FFP (continued)

Chippy_boy said:
Ducado said:
rugbyblue said:
You don't own the club
You're not the MD, you're not on the board, it's not your decision to make
You're not the legal representatives.

No one on here, or in the media, knows why the decision was made. There's a broad press statement raising some factors but it's entirely possible the club said 'it's a one year impediment, let it go'.

Sometimes in legal situations you let stuff go, because it's too much effort, or cost or too risky to push ahead, even if you're in the right.

Who gives a fuck what random other people you don't give a shit about (seriously, journalists and pundits?) think?

The problem is here, is that many people are just ranting and not seeing the bigger picture, I can see why the club have decided not to pursue a legal challenge, they are being pragmatic knowing that there is one ongoing anyway

I am all for pragmatism Duc, and i always expected a compromise (or perhaps a complete climb down by UEFA).

What i did not expect is a pragamatic compromise where we accept pretty much all of their sanctions on the chin, and they don't give much at all.

We have either passed FFP, or narrowly missed it. And yet our "lesser" sanctions are wholly out of proportion to the alleged breach. I would like to say think how much worse it could have turned out, But honestly, how could it have been materially worse? How? Short of banning us outright, i don't know how it could have been worse.

But it's not much is it, come on, its not going to stop us in anyway shape or form
 
Re: City & FFP (continued)

Bluep*ss said:
I will need a few days to digest this statement from the Club - I'm not the sharpest knife in the box(oh shit I've just cut myself) but can I ask a question.?
Will our pursuit of the Premier League be affected?. Does our squad meet the premier League's criteria especially home grown players?.
Do we need 8 HG.? As I understand it the Premier League are trying to bring in FFP as well.
In my view we have time to aim for the CL - the rags took 12 years I think(they entered European Cup in 1956). Arse have not won it - after 18 years in Europe . I say win the Premiership 3 or 4 times in say 6 years - that'll do me.
The answers are No and Yes and Yes.
 
Re: City & FFP (continued)

Helmet Cole said:
Dear Mr Wenger,
Due to FFP sanctions we will now only be signing your players on a free once their contracts are up. Sorry if this leaves you £70m worse off next year - give our love to Sagna.

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