City games allegedly fixed

[Newman Noggs]

I think it would be naive to think that money need change hands for a referee to "facilitate" a certain result. The PL and league work very closely together to ensure that the PL remains a lucrative business. As a number of other posters on here can confirm, Mike Reilly told us this in person.

Scudamore himself has gone public with his views on what makes the PL most commercially successful. It follows, to me at least, that the referees will follow "guidance" from the PL as to the optimium outcome.

That would influence how games should be refereed. No money needs to change hands and no-one would ever need to spell it out explicitly. There's a mutual self-interest at work.

 

[INDEEDY DEEDY]

I think it would be naive to think that money need change hands for a referee to "facilitate" a certain result. The PL and league work very closely together to ensure that the PL remains a lucrative business. As a number of other posters on here can confirm, Mike Reilly told us this in person.

Scudamore himself has gone public with his views on what makes the PL most commercially successful. It follows, to me at least, that the referees will follow "guidance" from the PL as to the optimium outcome.

That would influence how games should be refereed. No money needs to change hands and no-one would ever need to spell it out explicitly. There's a mutual self-interest at work.

Probably the best and most accurate post so far on this subject

 

[RACHACE]

I think a lot of dubious refereeing can be put down to sheer incompetence. In terms of why we get worse treatment than some other clubs, I think part of it is refs are more reluctant to give big decisions against "establishment" clubs due to the scrutiny they'll come under in the media, and also the prospect of not reffing those clubs again in future. I also think it's down to specific referees, rather than a concerted, collective effort against us. Lee Mason (Bolton) and Anthony Taylor (Wythenshawe), for instance, seemingly have a bit of an issue with the club for whatever reason.

I agree with this. That old twat Walton also. He just seemed to not like us for whatever reason.

Hopefully the technology that'll give correct offside decisions and ensure that any major decisions in the game are correct will come in at some point.

Referees and linesmen on the ground should be used as little as possible in the future. Lapses in concentration, personal bias, lack of bottle, lack of fitness and being easily influenced by the likes of mourinho, ferguson, Neville, Rooney, gerrard etc won't effect actual video evidence used in the game to get more accurate decisions.

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

@Prestwich_Blue has drunk the Kool Aid on this one imo, put far too much credence in this blog. There's talk of a 'dossier' but zero evidence to back it up.

To say the Bayern 3-2 game was fixed is utterly unbelievable, certainly if we talk about fixing the result rather than say the number of yellow cards.who would the main protagonists have been to pull off such a thing? Managers? Players? All in on it? Come on ffs

My information came from someone very senior at the club, not the blog and it came on the day that Mike Riley did his little roadshow at The Etihad. I've no doubt the club wanted someone to know why he was there and what had led up to it. I had no idea who had done this dossier at the time other than we paid whoever did it a lot of money. After we won the title, the guy who does the blog (who I'd previously been in contact with and who knew I was a City fan) sent me a cryptic email saying he should get a winners' medal for that 2012 title win. He couldn't have known I knew about the dossier so it was then clear that he'd done it and my information was without doubt genuine.

He'd done a similar piece of work back in 2007/8 (not for us) and subsequently a number of high-profile referees either retired years before they needed to (Rob Styles) or were moved out of front-line refereeing into administrative roles (Riley himself and Steve Bennett, who went to the ECB). Of course that might be coincidence or it might not. You may notice that Keith Hackett, who Riley replaced at PGMOL, doesn't have a good word to say about him. That's because Hackett was forced out against his will in order to accommodate Riley.

I don't know whether he was one of the refs named in that earlier dossier but Clattenburg had refereed that infamous Merseyside derby in Oct 2007. He was suspended, sacked then reinstated, allegedly over his business dealings That, along with the rags v Arsenal 'pizzagate' game reffed by Riley himself, were two of the most obviously bent games ever seen in the PL.

 

[laserblue]

Don't know anything about it to be honest, so couldn't say if it's true or not. Pretty sure City, like most clubs, complain about certain referees from time to time though which is why you don't see them ref our games for relatively long spells.

Interestingly Peter Walton suddenly and unexpectedly resigned as a Premier League referee in mid-season and went to the US to take up another job. After royally fucking City over in every game I saw him referee (matches against Everton and Liverpool were his speciality) his name would have been top of the list in any such dossier.

 

[dennishasdoneit]

The ones I know do, much the same as we do, in fact every teams fans think that referees are against them when they get beat. Our difference is we often think that even if we win, its not often that fans boo a referee off when they win, but we certainly have.

In general I think most of our referees are just shit, and some are certainly biased against anything City do, but bent ? There's certainly a couple who I think will do anything to prevent us winning, but neither should be refereeing our games (or united's for that matter, or any that could influence either clubs position).

I like most of what you normally post Cleavers...but i,m sorry,the above is just nonsense...and you know it.
I really do not think,,... that you think ..most of our refs are just shit.i,m sorry but i,m not having that.
Not when leic got ten more penalties than any other team when they 'won' the title..
Not when a certain lead head chef ref abdiicated within mins of the battle of the bridge,...which meant leic were champs
Not when arsenal,who have not been a dirty side for two decades,were allowed to kick lumps out of the finest attacking midfield player ever to grace our shores at wembley,..........i could go on.
Incompetence is one thing....speaking into your mouth peice to persons unkown ,is quite another.

 

[Stevieatlasblue]

Alf Grey was the worst ref ever at Maine rd for me against Liverpool in the semi finals of the league cup. It still makes me angry to this day..he must have been payed off back in the day.

 

[dennishasdoneit]

Ric unfortunateley your argument carries no weight. Of course fans of other clubs moan about refs that has always been part and parcel of the game and always will be.
It does not prove in any way that we do not get treated even worse by refs than other clubs.
You go to games and yet you still doubt we get worse treatment from refs than other clubs, particularly the rags, really?
I would like someone to produce evidence that any other club has had worse treatment from refs than we have had over the last 5 seasons, or to make it easier just this season. The odd decision in our favour does not negate all the all to frequent bad decisions.

Bang.on.the.button.

 

[dennishasdoneit]

Yeah F*y gave up when we pulled clear and by the end had the Norwich fans abusing him.

Remember that particular gig clear as day.ref was bent.City were sublime.ref switched sides or gave up in the face of the Italian led blue army,s class.
Happy days.

 

[Scaring Europe to Death]

I've always been suspicious about Ian Brightwell's strange performance at Brighton in 88-89 (and said so at the time).