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[uwe rosler 28]

That 40m Covid payment helped them out

I think it was the £48m the glazers charged to the club to sell its own shares that has got them out of the shit!!

 

[PPT]

Yes I will try as I can see that some posters are equally confused or putting it down to luck.

The short answer is watch the film Moneyball.

The longer answer is that Benham and Bloom own companies that specialise in taking money off bookmakers using primarily the Asian Market. They do this by knowing the likely outcome of football games better than the bookmakers. Their companies are called Starlizard (Brighton and Bloom) and Smartodds (Brentford and Benham). Both owners have a lot in common and used to work with each other. Both are Mathematical geniuses and are billionaires because of it. Both bought the clubs they support.

More importantly both owners have used their companies to come up with algorithms to find undervalued players from all over the World. Each company probably has around 100 people working for them (I’m guessing as they are secretive organisations) That dwarfs every other data analytics departments in every other club in the World and their algorithms are more accurate than anyone else’s.

They work differently from other clubs. As an example Brentford have no Academy as richer clubs were just nicking their players. The process is to find undervalued players by looking at Underlying statistics and plugging them into their mathematical models. They buy them but then must sell them at a profit. This profit goes to buy better players and so on and so on.

I’ve seen posters compare them to Southampton and say they have no ambition. They’re nothing like Southampton who had a very good Academy.

Brighton and Brentford want to sell their best players they just want to sell them at huge profits. For every player and, for that matter, every member of staff (including the Manager) they have three ready made replacements should they need them. I wonder if that includes tea ladies? Brentford famously sacked a Manger who appeared to be doing well because they knew, using underlying statistics, that the Manager had been lucky and knew that could not continue. The fans went mad but Benham was correct.

Neither club can compete financially with clubs like City so they have to find a different way. If they try to copy City they will lose. Over the years just about every club now has a data department doing what Brighton and Brentford do just not as good understandably.

The key is that the whole club needs to invest in the idea, the Manager included.Its no good having data if the Manager won’t listen and thinks it’s all nonsense because they once played football.

There is a book just come out called How to win the Premier League that shows how Liverpool had a data department that was very good but Brendan Rodgers preferred to go off gut instinct whereas Klopp saw the benefit more.

Liverpool have a very good analytical team as do City now but Brighton and Brentford are better because of what their owners do.

It’s not all about data. You have to know the player will settle and isn’t a dickhead and the players has to fit the way the Manager wants, but it’s a big help.

You can read about Bloom and Benham all over the internet if you are interested.

Great post.

 

[Cobwebcat]

Great post.

Thanks it won’t stop some posters saying it’s all nonsense and Bloom is an idiot and I get that. Very few posters change their mind on anything and that goes for all fanbases. The post is really aimed at people who are interested in stats and how clubs have different business models. Not for everyone I know!

 

[Fred_Quimby]

Yes I will try as I can see that some posters are equally confused or putting it down to luck.

The short answer is watch the film Moneyball.

The longer answer is that Benham and Bloom own companies that specialise in taking money off bookmakers using primarily the Asian Market. They do this by knowing the likely outcome of football games better than the bookmakers. Their companies are called Starlizard (Brighton and Bloom) and Smartodds (Brentford and Benham). Both owners have a lot in common and used to work with each other. Both are Mathematical geniuses and are billionaires because of it. Both bought the clubs they support.

More importantly both owners have used their companies to come up with algorithms to find undervalued players from all over the World. Each company probably has around 100 people working for them (I’m guessing as they are secretive organisations) That dwarfs every other data analytics departments in every other club in the World and their algorithms are more accurate than anyone else’s.

They work differently from other clubs. As an example Brentford have no Academy as richer clubs were just nicking their players. The process is to find undervalued players by looking at Underlying statistics and plugging them into their mathematical models. They buy them but then must sell them at a profit. This profit goes to buy better players and so on and so on.

I’ve seen posters compare them to Southampton and say they have no ambition. They’re nothing like Southampton who had a very good Academy.

Brighton and Brentford want to sell their best players they just want to sell them at huge profits. For every player and, for that matter, every member of staff (including the Manager) they have three ready made replacements should they need them. I wonder if that includes tea ladies? Brentford famously sacked a Manger who appeared to be doing well because they knew, using underlying statistics, that the Manager had been lucky and knew that could not continue. The fans went mad but Benham was correct.

Neither club can compete financially with clubs like City so they have to find a different way. If they try to copy City they will lose. Over the years just about every club now has a data department doing what Brighton and Brentford do just not as well understandably.

The key is that the whole club needs to invest in the idea, the Manager included.Its no good having data if the Manager won’t listen and thinks it’s all nonsense because they once played football.

There is a book just come out called How to win the Premier League that shows how Liverpool had a data department that was very good but Brendan Rodgers preferred to go off gut instinct whereas Klopp saw the benefit more.

Liverpool have a very good analytical team as do City now but Brighton and Brentford are better because of what their owners do.

It’s not all about data. You have to know the player will settle and isn’t a dickhead and the players has to fit the way the Manager wants, but it’s a big help.

You can read about Bloom and Benham all over the internet if you are interested.

Thanks for explaining. I had often thought that this might be what they do and this puts it into layman's terms fo that I could understand it. Thanks again.

 

[Dannyblue52]

I think it was the £48m the glazers charged to the club to sell its own shares that has got them out of the shit!!

So we are told. They lost 115.5 million in 2022, 28.6 million in 2023 and 113.3 in 2024 giving a 3 year total of £257.4 million. Clubs are allowed £105 million over 3 years. Not one question has been asked by the press. Just a comment that they are expected to comply after allowances are made. My understanding is allowances are for Infrastructure,community, women's football, youth development ,depreciation and covid. So which section does the sale come under? The covid alowance and this are bent as fuck. Where's the investigation? Evidence should be required. The other Clubs should be all over this demanding an investigation and subsequent charges. Let's see if any so called investigative journalist do their job. Don't hold your breath.

 

[Newman Noggs]

Yes I will try as I can see that some posters are equally confused or putting it down to luck.

The short answer is watch the film Moneyball.

The longer answer is that Benham and Bloom own companies that specialise in taking money off bookmakers using primarily the Asian Market. They do this by knowing the likely outcome of football games better than the bookmakers. Their companies are called Starlizard (Brighton and Bloom) and Smartodds (Brentford and Benham). Both owners have a lot in common and used to work with each other. Both are Mathematical geniuses and are billionaires because of it. Both bought the clubs they support.

More importantly both owners have used their companies to come up with algorithms to find undervalued players from all over the World. Each company probably has around 100 people working for them (I’m guessing as they are secretive organisations) That dwarfs every other data analytics departments in every other club in the World and their algorithms are more accurate than anyone else’s.

They work differently from other clubs. As an example Brentford have no Academy as richer clubs were just nicking their players. The process is to find undervalued players by looking at Underlying statistics and plugging them into their mathematical models. They buy them but then must sell them at a profit. This profit goes to buy better players and so on and so on.

I’ve seen posters compare them to Southampton and say they have no ambition. They’re nothing like Southampton who had a very good Academy.

Brighton and Brentford want to sell their best players they just want to sell them at huge profits. For every player and, for that matter, every member of staff (including the Manager) they have three ready made replacements should they need them. I wonder if that includes tea ladies? Brentford famously sacked a Manger who appeared to be doing well because they knew, using underlying statistics, that the Manager had been lucky and knew that could not continue. The fans went mad but Benham was correct.

Neither club can compete financially with clubs like City so they have to find a different way. If they try to copy City they will lose. Over the years just about every club now has a data department doing what Brighton and Brentford do just not as well understandably.

The key is that the whole club needs to invest in the idea, the Manager included.Its no good having data if the Manager won’t listen and thinks it’s all nonsense because they once played football.

There is a book just come out called How to win the Premier League that shows how Liverpool had a data department that was very good but Brendan Rodgers preferred to go off gut instinct whereas Klopp saw the benefit of analytics and was used to sharing power from his days at Dortmund.

Liverpool have a very good analytical team as do City now but Brighton and Brentford are better because of what their owners do.

It’s not all about data. You have to know the player will settle and isn’t a dickhead and the players has to fit the way the Manager wants to play, but it’s a big help.

You can read about Bloom and Benham all over the internet if you are interested.

Thank you. Very interesting. I'm still not convinced that it's a long-term business model but time will, no doubt, tell.

 

[supercity88]

Thanks it won’t stop some posters saying it’s all nonsense and Bloom is an idiot and I get that. Very few posters change their mind on anything and that goes for all fanbases. The post is really aimed at people who are interested in stats and how clubs have different business models. Not for everyone I know!

I don't know how anyone could consider him an idiot when you look at Brighton's continued upward trajectory despite the change in managers and sale of players. They've invested a lot this summer, clearly looking to improve further and they'll reap the rewards through success or future player sales.

The Chelsea model will also be successful as nonsensical as it appeared at first. They've identified there's a natural uplift in value just through a player having Chelsea on their CV. Whilst they've spent a fortune, there are a lot of recent sales pointing to a very solid return. It might take time, which is probably a result of them not having the right "football" people there originally, but eventually it too should end up a sound business model.

You get the standard lazy journalism that assumes Brighton could go the way of Southampton where they lose their best players and fail to replace them. But that was because Southampton's model was nothing like Brighton's.

 

[mancboy]

So we are told. They lost 115.5 million in 2022, 28.6 million in 2023 and 113.3 in 2024 giving a 3 year total of £257.4 million. Clubs are allowed £105 million over 3 years. Not one question has been asked by the press. Just a comment that they are expected to comply after allowances are made. My understanding is allowances are for Infrastructure,community, women's football, youth development ,depreciation and covid. So which section does the sale come under? The covid alowance and this are bent as fuck. Where's the investigation? Evidence should be required. The other Clubs should be all over this demanding an investigation and subsequent charges. Let's see if any so called investigative journalist do their job. Don't hold your breath.

will never happen and it will show how racist the likes of delaney, harris and their ilk are if all these people like joe 90 and keys believe in fairness as much as they claim to and that big bad city are unfairly winning then lets see your moral outrage over this or is it okay cos its white american owners doing this?

 

[mancboy]

I don't know how anyone could consider him an idiot when you look at Brighton's continued upward trajectory despite the change in managers and sale of players. They've invested a lot this summer, clearly looking to improve further and they'll reap the rewards through success or future player sales.

The Chelsea model will also be successful as nonsensical as it appeared at first. They've identified there's a natural uplift in value just through a player having Chelsea on their CV. Whilst they've spent a fortune, there are a lot of recent sales pointing to a very solid return. It might take time, which is probably a result of them not having the right "football" people there originally, but eventually it too should end up a sound business model.

You get the standard lazy journalism that assumes Brighton could go the way of Southampton where they lose their best players and fail to replace them. But that was because Southampton's model was nothing like Brighton's.

in theory yes but theres many ways that can go wrong, if chelsea are going to fail psr then other clubs will know chelsea have to sell and then all of a sudden the players value is in the toilet or the player has every right to reject the move and stay on a cushy number at chelsea and the value once again drops to zero such as what happened with sterling, conversely with brighton the system works as long as they let players go who want to go and they are moderately successful, if they have a drop off the values drop and if they dont let players go for reasonable prices to be bigger clubs they immediately become a much less attractive prospect for a player who is using them as a stepping stone, i agree with you that it has been successful at present but it is balanced on a knife edge.

 

[Colin Bells Boots]

And now the rags have reported a £113M loss for last season but haven't broken FFP or PSR rules apparently.

What a fucking joke the premier league has become

It would appear that the PL has always been somewhat
" accommodating " where these transgressions of their rules involve the rags.

Perhaps the smaller clubs are just seen as easier and subservient targets, happy to be eating at the big table.

Oh and the media are simply a collective group of cheap whores who haven't got the guts to speak out.