City linked with Guus Hiddink

[bizzbo]

proper bust up between robbie savage and kerry dixon on r5

well worth listening too

savage pointing the finger at marwood

 

[JoeMercer'sWay]

Played=185 Won=131 Drawn=36 Lost= 18 Win%= 70.81

FA Premier League winners 04/05, 05/06
FA Cup Winners 07
FA League Cup Winner 05, 07
FA Charity Shield Winners 05

Not bad for someone who isnt special eh?

i agree its very good results , but will other coaches will get better results with that strong Chelsea team he had , maybe

here is hiddink results for the short period he had with Chelsea
Chelsea 16 February 2009 30 May 2009 21 15 5 1 71.43 39 18 21
Win = 71.43 % which is a more than Mourinio
FA Cup
Winner (1): 2009

and not to forget one thing , Hiddink did this results when Chelsea was in a hole , he came and fixed them ;)

Chelsea had a championship winning squad there, they drastically underachieved. So all Hiddink was get them performing as they should have been, yet they only finished 3rd still.

Plus that was Hiddink in a 4 month period at Chelsea, who says he'd have been that good over 3 years, I'm not convinced, over 2 years he failed to get Russia to the World Cup, when they had the squad to do so. Plus he's old, Mourinho's much younger and has a more recent track record of success at a CLUB level, I know who'd I'd pick 10 times out of 10.

 

[MonacoCityFan]

Damocles...how can i say it........you know a lot but at the same time you didn`t understand a thing....i can argue with you on all your points but i won`t do it cause it will take a lot of time and you won`t get it...keep aplausing Mourinio its your right

 

[keemcfc]

I remember a post from Ducado (at least I think it was him) stating all of Hiddink's triumphs and well his CV isn't exactly what I would call great. Yes he did a great job at Chelsea, and could obviously handle big name players but what Ducado brought up kinda worries me about him.

I dont know much about his record and I might have worries because of that, since I have heard things and havent bothered to look up anything and am way too lazy to bother right now. I do however think he would be better than Hughes and more players would come to play for him as he is a bigger name and as well showed that he can handle a team of superstars with Chelsea. So I might have my worries, whether warranted or not I don't know but I hope whatever happens we start winning.

Take a look at our current managers Cv, Phill Browns CV is almost on the same level!

We want Guss Hiddink!
We want Guss Hiddink!
We want Guss Hiddink!
Or Jose Mourinho!

(Ireland is superman)

 

[Pam]

We want Guss Hiddink!
We want Guss Hiddink!
We want Guss Hiddink!

Speak for yourself.

 

[Damocles]

Damocles...how can i say it........you know a lot but at the same time you didn`t understand a thing....i can argue with you on all your points but i won`t do it cause it will take a lot of time and you won`t get it...keep aplausing Mourinio its your right

damocles, you are in an army of one. he has a reputation as one of the top 5 in the world. with PSV, he did awesomely in the european cup and champions league.

It's funny how people refute an argument with "well, you just don't understand", when you start to state facts instead of opinion.

@MCF - That's tremendously condescending, and factually incorrect. My preferred choice is Hitzfeld, but we will actually get Mancini.

@bizzbo - He won the European Cup and the league at PSV 20 YEARS AGO!! Football has massively changed in that period, and the tactics and training methods have moved on so much. This amounts to next to nothing now.
Also, he took over a PSV team that was top of the league and included players like Hans van Breukelen, Ronald Koeman, Sören Lerby, Gerald Vanenburg, and Wim Kieft. It's no surprise that Holland won the European Championship the same year using this exact same spine of the team.

This PSV team weren't the rank outsiders that they are now. They won the previous 6 out of 10 years of leagues, and particularly won the league before Hiddink took over. He took over them while they were 8 points clear. They were seen as a threat in Europe and part of the 'Oranje Boom' of the late 80s that was spurred on by the world's best ever coach, Rinus Michels, taking over the Dutch national team and mixing his experiences at Ajax and Barcelona to create a new type of football. PSV were positively seen as potential winners of the CL.
His second spell, he managed a semi final, and to me it's clear that PSV is his natural home, and the only place he really achieves anything.

Regarding his Chelsea career, it's really too short of a time to judge any performance. I do believe that he should have done better than a single FA Cup with the best team in the league, but maybe Scolari took them too far back to win the league. I recall his win/loss record was pretty good.

People seem to state that he came along and worked wonders at Chelsea to turn the whole team around, using his genius. This is a complete myth, and people's memories are far too short.
Scolari lost the dressing room, plain and simple. Drogba never turned up for him, Lampard was visibly unhappy and he had a raft of injuries. This was one of the rare times where sacking a manager is beneficial, as this squad would have reacted well to anyone in the world apart from Scolari. Hughes could have took over them and they would have been happy. He used the same squad and the same tactics as Scolari, and went on a winning streak.

I'm sorry, but I am not willing to get behind someone because they won 15/21 games once, with the best squad in the league.


Now for the actual facts that you are all ignoring:

Hiddink took over at Fenerbache, and was sacked within a year. This was a mixture of bad results, and him losing the dressing room.
Hiddink took over the Dutch national team and Davids/Overmars/Petit/etc all walked out on him, or pretended to be injured. Again, he lost the dressing room.
Hiddink went to a Madrid team that had previously won the European Cup, and managed to break a spell of dominance for them. He was sacked from here after losing the dressing room over some paper comments, and the next year they won the league and CL, going to their most dominant spell ever.
Hiddink then went to manage Betis, and took a team that was on the brink of the CL, and regularly in the UEFA Cup, to relegation. Betis fans still hate Hiddink for wrecking their club. Guess why? He lost the dressing room and sold some of their best players because he fell out with them.
Hiddink took over the Russians, who were honestly considered as possible dark horse in the WC. He managed to get them into the playoff, where his superstar team was beaten by Slovenia. At half team, he gave instructions to the team, and Arshavin told everyone to ignore him and play his plan, which they did. Again, he completely lost the dressing room.

There is no way I want this man in charge of my club, I'd rather keep Hughes than this miserable failure. He's one of those managers who has had one good spell at a club and built a career off of it. I've got to get the name of his PR agency, as they are fucking dynamite.

If we are going to appoint a new man, let's get a stonewall winner. Somebody who has won everywhere he has been, and not someone who has only ever won trophies properly at one club, and done shit everywhere else.

 

[bizzbo]

sorry damocles but he's got this one right, you're just going through the blips in an otherwise glittering career. you can make anyone look shit if you choose to do that.

 

[Pam]

Arsene unattainable Wenger

Just saying.

 

[Damocles]

sorry damocles but he's got this one right, you're just going through the blips in an otherwise glittering career. you can make anyone look shit if you choose to do that.

Apart from PSV, name me one thing he has done that's impressive in club football. You say it's a blip, but what I have actually done is mentioned every club he has managed. He has dine nothing outside of PSV.

EDIT : I challenge you to make Mourinho look shit based off of his league positions and trophy list. Or Hitzfeld. Or Ferguson. Someone who has a guaranteed history of winning trophies.

 

[bizzbo]

sorry damocles but he's got this one right, you're just going through the blips in an otherwise glittering career. you can make anyone look shit if you choose to do that.

Apart from PSV, name me one thing he has done that's impressive in club football. You say it's a blip, but what I have actually done is mentioned every club he has managed. He has dine nothing outside of PSV.

EDIT : I challenge you to make Mourinho look shit based off of his league positions and trophy list. Or Hitzfeld. Or Ferguson. Someone who has a guaranteed history of winning trophies.

well lad, you are making the rules up as you go along there, once again, so I'll decline your invitation!