City Matters thread

Prestwich_Blue said:
A handful of bitter tossers like you come out with this stuff constantly. Care to tell the forum how I did that?

Wankstains like you have no fucking idea how much time and effort we put in to try to make things better for fans, against a management team who really don't seem to give a fuck.
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Anyone who doesn't agree with you gets abuse off you.

Shows you are clearly not fit to represent anyone.
 
Corky said:
Anyone who doesn't agree with you gets abuse off you.

Shows you are clearly not fit to represent anyone.
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So, without any evidence or justification, you accuse people putting in lots of time and effort entirely voluntarily (I never claimed a penny in expenses) of feathering their own nests, yet complain when you get abuse back?

So again I'll ask you to tell me how I represented my own interests for 4 years. If you want to apologise for that slur than I'll reciprocate.
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
So, without any evidence or justification, you accuse people putting in lots of time and effort entirely voluntarily (I never claimed a penny in expenses) of feathering their own nests, yet complain when you get abuse back?

So again I'll ask you to tell me how I represented my own interests for 4 years. If you want to apologise for that slur than I'll reciprocate.
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I didn't say all that, nor have I given abuse.

It was a general comment on City Matters, you vote for people with knowing a thing about them bar where they sit if that, and there is no consultation with fans.

Even NDAs were mentioned. If they can't speak to fans about ideas they only represent their own views and nothing else. It was fair comment and you are not on City Matters.
 
I've no inside knowledge but aren't City matters are just a collective of fans who meet on occasion to discuss areas of concern with the club? That's all they can do and hope the club listen. They hold no power in themselves. A bit like unions, damned if they do, damned if they don't.
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
A handful of bitter tossers like you come out with this stuff constantly. Care to tell the forum how I did that? Because I'd really love to know.

Wankstains like you have no fucking idea how much time and effort we put in to try to make things better for fans, against a management team who really don't seem to give a fuck.
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While I don't necessarily agree with Corky's generalisation, I have to say that you haven't done yourself any favours by referring to people as "bitter tossers" or "wankstains" in your response.
 
Corky said:
I didn't say all that, nor have I given abuse.

It was a general comment on City Matters, you vote for people with knowing a thing about them bar where they sit if that, and there is no consultation with fans.

Even NDAs were mentioned. If they can't speak to fans about ideas they only represent their own views and nothing else. It was fair comment and you are not on City Matters.
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Perhaps you should have chosen your words more carefully then because when people say "they only represent themselves", that sounds like we do it out of self-interest. I'd like to think you didn't mean that but that's how it came across. In that case I apologise. But you're still wrong.

But you really don't have any idea about how we represent fans in meetings (and I absolutely take the point about minutes but they'd only give you part of the story). We talk to fellow fans and people contact us via email and social media. The problem is that you can't please everybody all the time. I sorted out lots of individual problems that fans had, sometimes involving quite upsetting situations. You could say exactly the same about local councillors but I've known quite a few over the years and wouldn't dream of knocking the hard work they all put in.

I can also assure you that we were very careful in meetings to ensure we thought the impact of things through. But whatever decisions were eventually made, someone moaned. Away ticket points was probably the most contentious one. I know that negatively impacted at least a couple of people on the committee who were regulars at away games but it was felt that gave more people a better chance. There's also decisions we'd like to have taken but the club either dragged their feet or simply refused.
Lavinda Past said:
While I don't necessarily agree with Corky's generalisation, I have to say that you haven't done yourself any favours by referring to people as "bitter tossers" or "wankstains" in your response.
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You're right. I overreacted as I thought he was accusing us of self-interest, as a number of others on here have in the past.
 
“We don’t know anything about the fans that do it”? I had flicked through the odd copy of King of the Kippax and also read Bluemoon before joining and knew exactly who PB was. Having since met him, he’s an honest, modest Blue with great humour to him. Exactly who we want representing us.

I’ve never volunteered to do anything with City but take my hat off to those who do.
 
jrb said:
Hello to you all, my name is Francesca and I am the LGBTQ+ representative and Vice Chair 2020/21 for City Matters.

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I am originally from Barnsley, South Yorkshire, where I followed them as a team and first moved to Manchester as a teenager for university. It was then I fell in love with the place and a massive part of that was Man City but always followed them as I admired the determination and growth over the years.

I am very happy and proud to be serving as a rep for a second season. I hope to continue to help diversity across different demographics, not just LGBTQ+ within City and in turn among football, as it truly is everyone’s game.

I am currently studying a MA in Sports journalism at The University of Salford - a big reason for choosing to study there and to move back to the area was because of Man City.

I hope that any issues or questions you may have you can come straight to me and if I can’t directly deal with it, I will forward it to the appropriate person/people at the Club.

www.mancity.com

LGBTQ Supporters

www.mancity.com www.mancity.com
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Her ad lib lines are well rehearsed..
 
bluekeith said:
They have put 2 lot's of minutes up at last
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Thanks for raising this.

A lack of minutes has been one of my big bug bears whilst on the group, and having raised it on a number of occasions, it was even more frustrating given that we had a member of the club’s business support staff present to take notes that never materialised. We have an agreement going forward that minutes should go live 7 days after each main meeting (and hopefully we can extend that to sub groups as well), but the proof is in the pudding.

As you can hopefully see from the back end of the May edition, the new Premier League Fan Engagement Charter is going to force the club to be a bit more proactive with the group. That includes things such as an annual strategic plan and progress report at the start and end of the season.
 
Alex - City Matters said:
Thanks for raising this.

A lack of minutes has been one of my big bug bears whilst on the group, and having raised it on a number of occasions, it was even more frustrating given that we had a member of the club’s business support staff present to take notes that never materialised. We have an agreement going forward that minutes should go live 7 days after each main meeting (and hopefully we can extend that to sub groups as well), but the proof is in the pudding.

As you can hopefully see from the back end of the May edition, the new Premier League Fan Engagement Charter is going to force the club to be a bit more proactive with the group. That includes things such as an annual strategic plan and progress report at the start and end of the season.
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Not in anyway critical of anyone on the CM / past members of CM, but could not one of you produce minutes of the meeting yourselves?
I get sensitive stuff may have to be off the record, but you could send a copy to the club and say if we don't hear back in 72 hours (working days) we will assume it's ok to distribute it.
 
Mad Eyed Screamer said:
Not in anyway critical of anyone on the CM / past members of CM, but could not one of you produce minutes of the meeting yourselves?
I get sensitive stuff may have to be off the record, but you could send a copy to the club and say if we don't hear back in 72 hours (working days) we will assume it's ok to distribute it.
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Hopefully this is a none starter now that the club have started to be a bit more proactive with minutes.

I would say that it shouldn’t ever be our job to produce minutes. As someone who works in Local Government, we would never ask Councillors, for example, to minute their scrutiny meetings. If a representative (either councillor or City Matters) ends up doing minutes, you’re either asking them not to fully take part in the meeting so that they can get the right detail, or the notes are rather high level. I take the point that any minutes, even if high level, are better than none!

We have produced our own minutes before, but I don’t think have ever been that bullish in terms of posting them. I’m not opposed to that, although there would probably be difference in what we think is confidential and the club consider.
 
It doesn't look good for new season tickets then. Also it wasn't made clear that if you downgraded to Silver you may never be able to change back.
 
Corky said:
It doesn't look good for new season tickets then. Also it wasn't made clear that if you downgraded to Silver you may never be able to change back.
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Based on the possibility not everybody will have renewed, I reckon there's a handful available which the club could at the very least offer as silver STs but they would rather sell these seats as Matchday tickets/hospitality packages/ sell to tourist agencies to make a bigger mark up. Very frustrating
 
Corky said:
It doesn't look good for new season tickets then. Also it wasn't made clear that if you downgraded to Silver you may never be able to change back.
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I actually emailed them last year about this and the reply was you be given the chance to go back to platinum when renewing
Luckily I stayed platinum last year as that advice was obviously incorrect
 
Alex - City Matters said:
Hopefully this is a none starter now that the club have started to be a bit more proactive with minutes.

I would say that it shouldn’t ever be our job to produce minutes. As someone who works in Local Government, we would never ask Councillors, for example, to minute their scrutiny meetings. If a representative (either councillor or City Matters) ends up doing minutes, you’re either asking them not to fully take part in the meeting so that they can get the right detail, or the notes are rather high level. I take the point that any minutes, even if high level, are better than none!

We have produced our own minutes before, but I don’t think have ever been that bullish in terms of posting them. I’m not opposed to that, although there would probably be difference in what we think is confidential and the club consider.
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I'd be up for councillors and note-takers publishing both sets.
Same for City Matters Reps and the clubs. Transparancy may provoke clarity, or questions, but unless someone states something as being "off the record" or "not for general release" then there shouldn't be any harm done. That being said, City are a business and not a public sports club.

It does seem that City have City Matters, Indeemo doing market research and other wings doing X, Y and Z whilst not singing from the same hymnsheet. Hopefully City can be a little more open and responsive. In perspective Franny Lee, Swales and Frank weren't as on board with fans as say Wardle etc., and our current owners.
 
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