City vs Bayern Munich Post match Thread

[tonea2003]

We know that but do we want to play defensive football?

Celtic kept two banks of 4 against Barcelona and restricted them, but you don't progress that way.

I thought that our back 4 defended very well in the 1st half. For all Bayern's dominance, they had very few attempts on our goal in the 1st half. They pressed high and dominated the midfield

That could have left them vulnerable defensively, but we were too timid to threaten them.

We played the exact same system against Utd and destroyed them. They had more numbers in midfield.

You don't always have to match up one for one with your opponents.

The problem is that City go into Eurpean games with a millstone around our necks, and then when you go a goal down against the European Champions they just caved in.

the magic words, and we didn't give them enough due respect, we should of given more consideration to their set up, unfortunately we are not yet good enough just to impose the way we want to play against such teams

 

[Moorsey 2002]

And the team that beat Barcelona 3-0 & 4-0 in the semi finals last year.

So if after our 2nd game against them the aggregate score is better than 7-0 I'm proclaiming us the 2nd best team in Europe ........

 

[Centurions]

If it didn't come across I was being heavily sarcastic. I completely agree with you.

The players are arrogant and the manager is so far beyond deluded.

So bored of reading "we'll improve" and "his teams always start slowly"

It doesn't matter if Villareal, Real and Malaga all started slowly - they all won nothing after their seemingly miraculous improvement.

Sorry i misunderstood.The manager showed a remarkable amount of stupidity considering his experiance and supposed knowledge of European football.The players were hung out to dry by the tactics but one or two didn't help themselves by individual mistakes.Throwing Richards and Clichy straight back in after lomg periods out injured against such quality opposition was also insane.

I pray i am proved wrong but the guy looks totally out of his depth and with nice managers players become complacent and lazy because like all workers with a soft boss they know they can get away with it.He has spent 90 million on new talent and is being paid mega bucks to achieve.He better fucking start earning it or the owners will have him out of the door quicker than Hughes.

And to cap it all the most talented player we bought is enjoying 10 minute cameos despite being potentially the dynamic and creative solution to needing (/ blindly forcing in) a second striker.

Our key players all seem to have lost confidence under Pellegrini, far from the joyous coup over Mancini we look as disinterested as ever but without the tactical nous to not get torn open by the likes of Villa.

To be fair Jovetic started off injured and I don't know if he's fit yet.

 

[Anonymous]

NDJ has been gone for about a year. Fernandinho is a quality replacement and is still settling into the EPL. Yaya Toure had some of his most effective games for us when he played further forward with NDJ playing behind him. Gareth Barry has been gone for a month, because he thinks he can still do a job for England and needs regular football for that, but in certain situations we miss him.

Fernandinho and Yaya together are still working out their most effective playing style, and I believe Fernandinho has to cover a lot of ground because of Yaya being so frequently ineffective (lolly-gagging). The midfielders were completely over-run by Bayern. How much longer can we afford Yaya being effective only 20% of the time?, and just lolly-gagging around for 80% of the time? Is that good enough for a player on 200,000 pounds a week?

I expected better from a coach with so much European experience. Pellegrini in his post-game interview said he would only talk about the team and not about individual players, and most of us would agree that is the right thing to do in public If Cardiff and Villa can put three goals each past us, we shouldn't be surprised when the top club team in the world scores three. I am not just concerned because we lost, but because of the manner of the defeat.

 

[BluessinceHydeRoad]

There seems to be a degree of complacency on here in some quarters. It's fine as long as we don't lose by more than 7 over 2 legs to Munich - we're better than Barca then! But not Arsenal, who went out on away goals. We don't want to play defensive football! We don't want t park the bus. Not like Chelsea! Chelsea drew 1-1 in Munich in the fial and won on penalties: they drew 2-2 and lost on penalties the other week. They seem to understand that Guardiola packs the midfield, believing that whoever controls midfield wins the match. Chelsea didn't contest midfield, as they hadn't in the semi against Barca, but simply allowed Guardiola to run into a mass of bodies and then break quickly. It doesn't always work, as no way of plaing without the ball will, but it's not negative and defensive: it's actually a realistic way of trying to deal with teams that get a grip on midfield. Pellegrini decided to play 2 CMs, one true wide man and Nasri, who was a kind of hybrid, with 2 lads locked up front. The result is we played without the ball, got isolated and outnumbered all over the pitch.

 

[bayern blade]

There seems to be a degree of complacency on here in some quarters. It's fine as long as we don't lose by more than 7 over 2 legs to Munich - we're better than Barca then! But not Arsenal, who went out on away goals. We don't want to play defensive football! We don't want t park the bus. Not like Chelsea! Chelsea drew 1-1 in Munich in the fial and won on penalties: they drew 2-2 and lost on penalties the other week. They seem to understand that Guardiola packs the midfield, believing that whoever controls midfield wins the match. Chelsea didn't contest midfield, as they hadn't in the semi against Barca, but simply allowed Guardiola to run into a mass of bodies and then break quickly. It doesn't always work, as no way of plaing without the ball will, but it's not negative and defensive: it's actually a realistic way of trying to deal with teams that get a grip on midfield. Pellegrini decided to play 2 CMs, one true wide man and Nasri, who was a kind of hybrid, with 2 lads locked up front. The result is we played without the ball, got isolated and outnumbered all over the pitch.

Heynckes was still the trainer in the 1-1 and tbf we blew them away, we had god knows how many shots but it was one of those days where you could play all night and not win, in the 2-2 the other week Guardiola had only been at the club a few weeks, the players hadn't yet picked up on his ideas.

 

[BluessinceHydeRoad]

There seems to be a degree of complacency on here in some quarters. It's fine as long as we don't lose by more than 7 over 2 legs to Munich - we're better than Barca then! But not Arsenal, who went out on away goals. We don't want to play defensive football! We don't want t park the bus. Not like Chelsea! Chelsea drew 1-1 in Munich in the fial and won on penalties: they drew 2-2 and lost on penalties the other week. They seem to understand that Guardiola packs the midfield, believing that whoever controls midfield wins the match. Chelsea didn't contest midfield, as they hadn't in the semi against Barca, but simply allowed Guardiola to run into a mass of bodies and then break quickly. It doesn't always work, as no way of plaing without the ball will, but it's not negative and defensive: it's actually a realistic way of trying to deal with teams that get a grip on midfield. Pellegrini decided to play 2 CMs, one true wide man and Nasri, who was a kind of hybrid, with 2 lads locked up front. The result is we played without the ball, got isolated and outnumbered all over the pitch.

Heynckes was still the trainer in the 1-1 and tbf we blew them away, we had god knows how many shots but it was one of those days where you could play all night and not win, in the 2-2 the other week Guardiola had only been at the club a few weeks, the players hadn't yet picked up on his ideas.

Yes, I see how my post reads, but I am aware that this is Guardiola's first season in Munich. The point I'm trying to make in that part of my post is that under Heynckes Munich had a strong, athletic midfield that kept the ball well, and that rather than ignore this fact Chelsea actually did well coping with it. I'm always distrustful of statistics about shots on goal. I watched the match in a hotel in Portugal with a load of Chelsea fans, who were actually quietly confident as the game progressed. My memory was of a fair few snatched shots as the pressure grew. Certainly Chelsea's equaliser seemed to deal Munich's self-belief a serious blow. I'm not actually arguing, however, that Munich weren't a good team, or that they are easy to beat. What I am saying is that you have to take some notice of how the opposition like to play and try to stop them - rather that ignoring it and making it much easier for them.

 

[Moorsey 2002]

There seems to be a degree of complacency on here in some quarters. It's fine as long as we don't lose by more than 7 over 2 legs to Munich - we're better than Barca then! But not Arsenal, who went out on away goals. We don't want to play defensive football! We don't want t park the bus. Not like Chelsea! Chelsea drew 1-1 in Munich in the fial and won on penalties: they drew 2-2 and lost on penalties the other week. They seem to understand that Guardiola packs the midfield, believing that whoever controls midfield wins the match. Chelsea didn't contest midfield, as they hadn't in the semi against Barca, but simply allowed Guardiola to run into a mass of bodies and then break quickly. It doesn't always work, as no way of plaing without the ball will, but it's not negative and defensive: it's actually a realistic way of trying to deal with teams that get a grip on midfield. Pellegrini decided to play 2 CMs, one true wide man and Nasri, who was a kind of hybrid, with 2 lads locked up front. The result is we played without the ball, got isolated and outnumbered all over the pitch.

If you're referring to my post about proclaiming us the 2nd best team In Europe if we better the 7-0 aggregate drubbing they gave barca ............ I was taking the piss ........ Thought that was obvious but clearly not.

I'll take that on board for next time and ensure I make sensible and piss take posts clear

 

[Phil1]

There seems to be a degree of complacency on here in some quarters. It's fine as long as we don't lose by more than 7 over 2 legs to Munich - we're better than Barca then! But not Arsenal, who went out on away goals. We don't want to play defensive football! We don't want t park the bus. Not like Chelsea! Chelsea drew 1-1 in Munich in the fial and won on penalties: they drew 2-2 and lost on penalties the other week. They seem to understand that Guardiola packs the midfield, believing that whoever controls midfield wins the match. Chelsea didn't contest midfield, as they hadn't in the semi against Barca, but simply allowed Guardiola to run into a mass of bodies and then break quickly. It doesn't always work, as no way of plaing without the ball will, but it's not negative and defensive: it's actually a realistic way of trying to deal with teams that get a grip on midfield. Pellegrini decided to play 2 CMs, one true wide man and Nasri, who was a kind of hybrid, with 2 lads locked up front. The result is we played without the ball, got isolated and outnumbered all over the pitch.

If you're referring to my post about proclaiming us the 2nd best team In Europe if we better the 7-0 aggregate drubbing they gave barca ............ I was taking the piss ........ Thought that was obvious but clearly not.

I'll take that on board for next time and ensure I make sensible and piss take posts clear

Not sure if his was directed at you but there's been plenty of posts on here since Wednesday using the same kind of logic. Yes, Bayern are wonderful to watch and it's hard to argue that any team or formation we put out would have got a positive result. Unfortunately since Pellegrini decided to hand them the game on a plate with terrible tactics which every single person watching in the ground and on tv saw the flaws.
I believe that's the main concern, or at least it's mine.

 

[Dave Ewing's Back 'eader]

Re: positives...

I for one thought Joe looked dreamy in purple.

My eldest This! child wants the shirt as a "well done" for sitting the grammar school exams - when is this going to be available in the store?

S/He wants it for 'sitting'? What's he/she get for passing?

I think Hart should be wearing sackcloth and ashes tomorrow.