City vs Bayern Post Match Thread

cleavers said:
I've seen it three times now, once live, and two TV replays, and we deserved the win, Bayern played well, but we played better overall.
Had we not conceded that free-kick, I think we'd have gone on to win comfortably - Bayern had the possession but were doing nothing with it. They still kept possession very well with 10 men. Individually players like Robben and Ribery were very disappointing, but as a team they passed and moved really well. It was a lesson in team play.

We were playing ten men, and can't forget that, but what counted was fighting to the end and not giving up. We cracked in similar circumstances against CSKA but this time there was no repeat
 
cleavers said:
I've seen it three times now, once live, and two TV replays, and we deserved the win, Bayern played well, but we played better overall.
It was an amazing game in so many respects. I don't think we can underestimate how good a team Bayern really are. With 10 players we were chasing shadows for long periods, and to be honest we didn't look like scoring for most of the second half.

Having said that, our performance without so many key players showed so many great attributes - perseverance and a never say die attitude eventually won us the game.

It's an unusual quality. This City team plays better when their backs are to the wall. This is why we have to believe that we can take down Roma.

By the way Cleavers I have taped the game and I am going to watch it again, because on first viewing I couldn't agree that we played better overall. I must have been caught up in the emotion of the game!
 
BackgroundBlue said:
Interesting perspective: <a class="postlink" href="http://www.bavarianfootballworks.com/2014/11/27/7298675/bayern-munichs-late-collapse-against-manchester-city-was-forseeable" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.bavarianfootballworks.com/20 ... forseeable</a>

Thanks for the link, BackgroundBlue - that was a very stimulating article written by someone who was analysing a match they had clearly watched. I think it is a very good corrective to the view that a side which was so much better at "dominating possession" was undone by a rousing up-and-at-'em last 5 minutes from a team which simply "fights-to-the-end". It stresses City's intelligence and, I think, what we showed on Tuesday is exactly that - "We are City, we think to the end" as well. We had a game plan and we applied it well enough to inflict a first defeat of the season on Bayern.

Bayern have earned much praise for the way they keep the ball, and rightly so, but I think we need to be aware of how they do that, and of the problems it can cause. Their support play is excellent, and when they lose the ball they close up together and press to get the ball back. This does leave "holes" and they are vulnerable to quick counter-counters as Madrid showed last season if the other side is good enough. City were intelligent enough to press in "dangerous" areas and our penalty came when we won the ball in the centre circle, Lamps played a first time through ball which allowed Sergio to use his pace to break the high line which Bayern play to "dominate possession". If they weren't vulnerable on such occasions they wouldn't dominate possessions so much at others, and City were good enough to exploit the flaw when it arose. And the last five minutes showed the dangers of the Bayern possession football, especially playing 10 against 11, when the 11 do know what they're doing! Alonso had no "out" ball and was locked ruthlessly into a box from which he could not escape, and Jovetic, who knew exactly what was coming and what he was doing, moved in for the kill, as did Sergio. Straight away we saw pric Bayern had to pay, as we had a situation that Scholes and Co simply seemed unable to understand and so put down to an incomprehensible mistake by a top quality player - a side reduced to ten men, leading 2-1 with only 5 minutes to go, giving the ball away to allow the most lethal finisher in world football virtually an unopposed 35-40 yard run to slot the ball past the best 'keeper in the world as though he wasn't there! But it was actually very clever play from City. As was the winner. Bayern were reduced to hasty long clearances, to Neuer "sweeping" in dodgy areas because City engineered the overload against a square backline 20 yards out - with Sergio Aguero just waiting. Who would put their money on anyone other then Kun in those circumstances......

Bayern re a great team, of that there is no doubt, but City showed that we are good enough to turn aspects of their play into weaknesses, and we actually took full advantage three times. That is a very good, intelligent night's work.
 
I watched the game back last night, I skimmed through the first half but watched all of the second half

Perhaps being at the game makes you lose a bit of concentration on the actual game as you seem to take on other people's frustration etc

On watching it back, I thought we played really well in the second half. It wasn't the CIty that we have become accustomed to but then we were playing a top class side

I thought the back 4 looked comfortable, Clichy was brilliant but only seems to perform in the big games, which is odd. Lampard worked hard and always tried to get on the ball, the game bypassed Milner a little bit, Fernando was OK got caught on the ball far too many times against a 10 men side, and I thought Nasri had a decent game as well and kept plugging away

Still not convinced by Navas, we got him in behind Bernat on countless occasions but he couldn't provide a decent cross, he is constantly looking to pick a man out when there is usually only Sergio to look for, but again he worked hard i just don't think he has enough quality

Sergio was Sergio, worked his ass off and didn't see too much of the ball, but gets 3 chances and takes them all
 
kupest said:
Moment of the night was Neuer getting a yellow card for time wasting. Oh and after that he tried to do that again and then again when Aguero scored the second.

Teams that dominate and are just playing around don't do that.

Worlds best keeper got carded for time wasting :D. Not sure how he is going to feel about that.

Recorded the game , so watched it when I got back. Bayern were time wasting. When Pep wanted to sub Lewandowski he was going beserk on the touchline - seemingly , telling the 4th official that he had the numbers wrong - 9 off and 11 on. Lewandowski started to come off - 2 paces, checked and retreated looking at the coach(PeP), feigned surprise, then finally came off.

Only thing wrong in that BavarianFootball link above - Jovetic intercepts Alonso's pass - not Nasri.
 
BluessinceHydeRoad said:
I watched the match on ITV, went from elation to frustration and despair and then to euphoria as the game reached its pulsating climax. Then I entered the realms of fury as I heard the crap fed us by the panel of blockheads paid royally by ITV and read the rubbish the BBC's experts served up.

I took issue with the cliche that City can't play in Europe, but the team and the fans might feel they deserve to be in the CL now. Need we remind these "experts" that we're in the CL because we are champions of England, for the second time in three seasons, but we get stuck in the group of death each year because UEFA don't deserve to run the competition. So we play Bayern in three seasons out of the last four and actually beat them in 3 of the 6 games. Has any other club recorded as many wins against them? And this at a time when they are supposed to be the best club side in the world!

Then the Trafford Appreciation Society explained how poor our performance was. Against ten men! And a Bayern weakened by injuries! We never looked like soring! They dominated possession! They looked better on the ball! We were outclassed! We're a one man team - without Aguero we'd win nothing! And he had to be helped by three very uncharacteristic mistakes from Bayern!

To me this appeared to have been adopted as the party line before the game began, and was to be maintained whatever the result. But it does ignore what actually happened. Yes we were against ten men, but that wasn't because Bayern had the terrible luck to suffer four injuries. It was because their CB decided the only way he could cope with Lampard's through ball to Sergio was to kick our lad's feet from under him as he prepared to shoot. No-one else took the decision, and no-one had any sympathy with Ya Ya or Ferna when they saw red. Bayern rightly had to pay the price. Bayern rocked for a time but reorganised and looked what they are - a very good team indeed. But to my mind they kept possession rather than dominated it and they didn't actually do much more - their aim was to frustrate City rather than create chances and I don't think they ever really succeeded.

Now, I accept that City didn't hammer away at the Munich goal for 90 minutes either, but games at this level are rarely like that and I would also point out that Bayern's goals were not the result of wonderfully inventive play but of two incredibly sloppy pieces of defensive play and one very fortunate shoulder from Levandowski. If City's goals were lucky because our goals came from mistakes, why is the same not true of Bayern? Why are all goals not lucky?! So Bayern tried to run the clock down by keeping possession (and obvious time wasting) and City plugged away. No we didn't create a hatful of chances, but that's because Bayern can defend - so well, in fact, that they have only conceded 3 goals in the Bundesliga so far this season, but Scholes and Chiles kept that quiet!

And then we did step up the pace! Jovetic has not received any credit for his part in the equalizer. It was a careless pass from Alonso, but Jovetic had clearly been watching his lap top in preparation for the game - he started his run for the interception before the pass was even likely. And Sergio did the rest! As he did 5 minutes later! But he forced Boateng into the error and once he'd got it there was only going to be one outcome.

Now, I accept that Bayern may well be the best club side in the world, but I have never thought Boateng and Dante are anywhere near being the best central defensive partnership in the world. And over 90 minutes I always fancied Sergio would come out well ahead, and so it proved. He is as good as anyone in the world and he exposed them three times to win the match - but that's why we bought him, that's why the Sheikh didn't go back for Lee Bradbury. The last time Bayern came unstuck in the CL was to a team featuring the two most expensive players in history, but no-one sneered that Madrid only won because they had Ronaldo and Bale in the team! And if the sneerers want to know where we'd be without Sergio, they can look at last season where we had to cope without him for half the PL season. He's in a class of his own, but City are NOT a one man band! And if Bayern were weakened we must point out that, not only could Ya Ya, Ferna, Silva, Dzeko and Kolorov not play, but Bayern could pick from a squad of 25 - we are allowed a squad of 21, "to ensure fair play"! If you were in City's squad and you were fit, you were either in the team or on the bench on Tuesday. And this was the team which not only beat Bayern Munich, but scored as many goals in 90 minutes as the Bundesliga have managed against Bayern in 15 games. Well, Mr Savage, are we really as embarrassing as that?!

Fucking brilliant that man. Wholeheartedly agree, but you use far better words than I ever could.
 
Bayern the best club side in the world couldn't cope with Serge BUT WHO CAN ! In the form of his life and totally unplayable, Navas is a frustrating guy does all the hard work but couldn't cross a ball to save his life he could be such a vital part of the squad in cross supply terms because he's got great ability to take people on and get behind defences but the final ball is always lacking what a tremendous 2nd half, our old defensive frailties keep resurfacing but we're miraculously back in the competition and in with a great shout at progressing so that'll do for me.
 
More than happy with the performance. it was always going to be tough against a team that pretty much play 2 touch football and keep the ball moving. Every single player including the keeper is happy with the ball. That said most of their possesion was in areas that wont harm us and i'm sure MP was happy them keeping the ball in their own 3rd. it's alomost as if they just lend you the ball for a few seconds when they lose it to see what you can do with it. Biggest difference is when we were pressured in our own 3rd we generally pumped it forward, they play in their own box (which we would generally coach kids not to do).
Robben was kept quiet by Gael who closed the ground to him everytime the ball was in the air. I dont think we generally looked like scoring it was from 2 mistakes by them but you could say we pressured them into the mistakes.

but overall a good solid performance from everyone and lots of confidence to move on.

Sergio is god and can sh*g my bird anytime
 
prestonibbo_mcfc said:
BluessinceHydeRoad said:
I watched the match on ITV, went from elation to frustration and despair and then to euphoria as the game reached its pulsating climax. Then I entered the realms of fury as I heard the crap fed us by the panel of blockheads paid royally by ITV and read the rubbish the BBC's experts served up.

I took issue with the cliche that City can't play in Europe, but the team and the fans might feel they deserve to be in the CL now. Need we remind these "experts" that we're in the CL because we are champions of England, for the second time in three seasons, but we get stuck in the group of death each year because UEFA don't deserve to run the competition. So we play Bayern in three seasons out of the last four and actually beat them in 3 of the 6 games. Has any other club recorded as many wins against them? And this at a time when they are supposed to be the best club side in the world!

Then the Trafford Appreciation Society explained how poor our performance was. Against ten men! And a Bayern weakened by injuries! We never looked like soring! They dominated possession! They looked better on the ball! We were outclassed! We're a one man team - without Aguero we'd win nothing! And he had to be helped by three very uncharacteristic mistakes from Bayern!

To me this appeared to have been adopted as the party line before the game began, and was to be maintained whatever the result. But it does ignore what actually happened. Yes we were against ten men, but that wasn't because Bayern had the terrible luck to suffer four injuries. It was because their CB decided the only way he could cope with Lampard's through ball to Sergio was to kick our lad's feet from under him as he prepared to shoot. No-one else took the decision, and no-one had any sympathy with Ya Ya or Ferna when they saw red. Bayern rightly had to pay the price. Bayern rocked for a time but reorganised and looked what they are - a very good team indeed. But to my mind they kept possession rather than dominated it and they didn't actually do much more - their aim was to frustrate City rather than create chances and I don't think they ever really succeeded.

Now, I accept that City didn't hammer away at the Munich goal for 90 minutes either, but games at this level are rarely like that and I would also point out that Bayern's goals were not the result of wonderfully inventive play but of two incredibly sloppy pieces of defensive play and one very fortunate shoulder from Levandowski. If City's goals were lucky because our goals came from mistakes, why is the same not true of Bayern? Why are all goals not lucky?! So Bayern tried to run the clock down by keeping possession (and obvious time wasting) and City plugged away. No we didn't create a hatful of chances, but that's because Bayern can defend - so well, in fact, that they have only conceded 3 goals in the Bundesliga so far this season, but Scholes and Chiles kept that quiet!

And then we did step up the pace! Jovetic has not received any credit for his part in the equalizer. It was a careless pass from Alonso, but Jovetic had clearly been watching his lap top in preparation for the game - he started his run for the interception before the pass was even likely. And Sergio did the rest! As he did 5 minutes later! But he forced Boateng into the error and once he'd got it there was only going to be one outcome.

Now, I accept that Bayern may well be the best club side in the world, but I have never thought Boateng and Dante are anywhere near being the best central defensive partnership in the world. And over 90 minutes I always fancied Sergio would come out well ahead, and so it proved. He is as good as anyone in the world and he exposed them three times to win the match - but that's why we bought him, that's why the Sheikh didn't go back for Lee Bradbury. The last time Bayern came unstuck in the CL was to a team featuring the two most expensive players in history, but no-one sneered that Madrid only won because they had Ronaldo and Bale in the team! And if the sneerers want to know where we'd be without Sergio, they can look at last season where we had to cope without him for half the PL season. He's in a class of his own, but City are NOT a one man band! And if Bayern were weakened we must point out that, not only could Ya Ya, Ferna, Silva, Dzeko and Kolorov not play, but Bayern could pick from a squad of 25 - we are allowed a squad of 21, "to ensure fair play"! If you were in City's squad and you were fit, you were either in the team or on the bench on Tuesday. And this was the team which not only beat Bayern Munich, but scored as many goals in 90 minutes as the Bundesliga have managed against Bayern in 15 games. Well, Mr Savage, are we really as embarrassing as that?!

Fucking brilliant that man. Wholeheartedly agree, but you use far better words than I ever could.

Agreed. Great post that.
 
prestonibbo_mcfc said:
So we play Bayern in three seasons out of the last four and actually beat them in 3 of the 6 games. Has any other club recorded as many wins against them? And this at a time when they are supposed to be the best club side in the world!

Bayern can defend - so well, in fact, that they have only conceded 3 goals in the Bundesliga so far this season, but Scholes and Chiles kept that quiet!

Very well said.....

And, we scored the second, third and fourth goals they have conceded this year in the CL! Until this game, they had only let in one goal.
 

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