City vs Bayern Post Match Thread

[It could have been 10]

I posted much the same in the MP thread.

I was a bit surprised at the bullishness of some of the reaction on here when I got back on Wednesday morning, and didn't post much, waiting until I'd watched it again. Watching it again changed many of my views on the game. I thought we'd been out played first half watching it live, but having seen it again, we weren't, in fact we allowed them the possession, and it went mostly sideways in front of our defensive line, and as you say they created very little from having lots of the ball. The two goals were sloppy from our point of view, the second, good from their side, great cross and a good (if fortunate header).

Second half they created very little really, and even at the game I thought we'd dominated the territory at least.

No we weren't lucky, we deserved the win, and it could have been even better.

Lost of positives, 3 of our new players had decent games, probably the best they've had, Nasri perhaps his best game of the season, Lampard managed 90 minutes, though I think he was on air at the end.

At least there's two of us, I always think it's best to let the dust settle before making a judgement. To put this into perspective we have just beaten a team who are unbeaten in competitive football this season. The last time they had conceded a goal was 1st November, they had only conceded 3 goals in 12 Bundesliga matches scoring 31 and in the Champions league had scored 11 & conceded 1 in the previous 4 games. They last conceded 3 goals in December 2013, guess who they were playing against? Yes it was the Champions Manchester City!!!

I came away from the game feeling we had played well and just not capitalised on a number of good situations created particularly down our right flank. I thought we had made hard work of it but not stolen anything from Bayern.
I then watched the game when got back and found out we had got lucky and scraped an undeserved result.
I guess that we should be used to this sort of shit from the media but it does still get to me. If that had been the rags or the martyrs they would have been talking about one if the great comebacks on yet another historic European night, not an ill deserved win.
On a separate note, Townsend's "get in" when the third goal went in was a bit of a revelation. Maybe the twat isn't all bad....

When I saw that certain newspapers gave Mangala ratings of 5, 4 & in one case 3 I think that proves beyond a shadow of a doubt these papers are operating an anti city agenda. He was worth at least a 7.

On another point if anybody wanted to see a Bayern Munich side completely dominate & batter a team for the whole 90 minutes & then unluckily concede 2 goals in the last few minutes to lose the match then purchase a DVD of the 1999 European Cup Final. I seem to remember the headlines at the time said SCUM Comeback kings of Europe.

 

[mancity2012_eamo]

I watched the match on ITV, went from elation to frustration and despair and then to euphoria as the game reached its pulsating climax. Then I entered the realms of fury as I heard the crap fed us by the panel of blockheads paid royally by ITV and read the rubbish the BBC's experts served up.

I took issue with the cliche that City can't play in Europe, but the team and the fans might feel they deserve to be in the CL now. Need we remind these "experts" that we're in the CL because we are champions of England, for the second time in three seasons, but we get stuck in the group of death each year because UEFA don't deserve to run the competition. So we play Bayern in three seasons out of the last four and actually beat them in 3 of the 6 games. Has any other club recorded as many wins against them? And this at a time when they are supposed to be the best club side in the world!

Then the Trafford Appreciation Society explained how poor our performance was. Against ten men! And a Bayern weakened by injuries! We never looked like soring! They dominated possession! They looked better on the ball! We were outclassed! We're a one man team - without Aguero we'd win nothing! And he had to be helped by three very uncharacteristic mistakes from Bayern!

To me this appeared to have been adopted as the party line before the game began, and was to be maintained whatever the result. But it does ignore what actually happened. Yes we were against ten men, but that wasn't because Bayern had the terrible luck to suffer four injuries. It was because their CB decided the only way he could cope with Lampard's through ball to Sergio was to kick our lad's feet from under him as he prepared to shoot. No-one else took the decision, and no-one had any sympathy with Ya Ya or Ferna when they saw red. Bayern rightly had to pay the price. Bayern rocked for a time but reorganised and looked what they are - a very good team indeed. But to my mind they kept possession rather than dominated it and they didn't actually do much more - their aim was to frustrate City rather than create chances and I don't think they ever really succeeded.

Now, I accept that City didn't hammer away at the Munich goal for 90 minutes either, but games at this level are rarely like that and I would also point out that Bayern's goals were not the result of wonderfully inventive play but of two incredibly sloppy pieces of defensive play and one very fortunate shoulder from Levandowski. If City's goals were lucky because our goals came from mistakes, why is the same not true of Bayern? Why are all goals not lucky?! So Bayern tried to run the clock down by keeping possession (and obvious time wasting) and City plugged away. No we didn't create a hatful of chances, but that's because Bayern can defend - so well, in fact, that they have only conceded 3 goals in the Bundesliga so far this season, but Scholes and Chiles kept that quiet!

And then we did step up the pace! Jovetic has not received any credit for his part in the equalizer. It was a careless pass from Alonso, but Jovetic had clearly been watching his lap top in preparation for the game - he started his run for the interception before the pass was even likely. And Sergio did the rest! As he did 5 minutes later! But he forced Boateng into the error and once he'd got it there was only going to be one outcome.

Now, I accept that Bayern may well be the best club side in the world, but I have never thought Boateng and Dante are anywhere near being the best central defensive partnership in the world. And over 90 minutes I always fancied Sergio would come out well ahead, and so it proved. He is as good as anyone in the world and he exposed them three times to win the match - but that's why we bought him, that's why the Sheikh didn't go back for Lee Bradbury. The last time Bayern came unstuck in the CL was to a team featuring the two most expensive players in history, but no-one sneered that Madrid only won because they had Ronaldo and Bale in the team! And if the sneerers want to know where we'd be without Sergio, they can look at last season where we had to cope without him for half the PL season. He's in a class of his own, but City are NOT a one man band! And if Bayern were weakened we must point out that, not only could Ya Ya, Ferna, Silva, Dzeko and Kolorov not play, but Bayern could pick from a squad of 25 - we are allowed a squad of 21, "to ensure fair play"! If you were in City's squad and you were fit, you were either in the team or on the bench on Tuesday. And this was the team which not only beat Bayern Munich, but scored as many goals in 90 minutes as the Bundesliga have managed against Bayern in 15 games. Well, Mr Savage, are we really as embarrassing as that?!

Which pretty much sums up exactly how I saw it.
I actually feel lucky now that I watched it on record, so I had the benefit of skipping the so called expert analysis.
I think the main thing, is most supporters on here appreciate the performance last night and there seems to be an overall consensus of opinion that there was a plan that was stuck to. There wasn't panic although we were still behind with ten minutes to go.
Screw the media that was a well earned result. Now to finish the job against Roma by whatever means necessary.

 

[flb]

I watched the match on ITV, went from elation to frustration and despair and then to euphoria as the game reached its pulsating climax. Then I entered the realms of fury as I heard the crap fed us by the panel of blockheads paid royally by ITV and read the rubbish the BBC's experts served up.

I took issue with the cliche that City can't play in Europe, but the team and the fans might feel they deserve to be in the CL now. Need we remind these "experts" that we're in the CL because we are champions of England, for the second time in three seasons, but we get stuck in the group of death each year because UEFA don't deserve to run the competition. So we play Bayern in three seasons out of the last four and actually beat them in 3 of the 6 games. Has any other club recorded as many wins against them? And this at a time when they are supposed to be the best club side in the world!

Then the Trafford Appreciation Society explained how poor our performance was. Against ten men! And a Bayern weakened by injuries! We never looked like soring! They dominated possession! They looked better on the ball! We were outclassed! We're a one man team - without Aguero we'd win nothing! And he had to be helped by three very uncharacteristic mistakes from Bayern!

To me this appeared to have been adopted as the party line before the game began, and was to be maintained whatever the result. But it does ignore what actually happened. Yes we were against ten men, but that wasn't because Bayern had the terrible luck to suffer four injuries. It was because their CB decided the only way he could cope with Lampard's through ball to Sergio was to kick our lad's feet from under him as he prepared to shoot. No-one else took the decision, and no-one had any sympathy with Ya Ya or Ferna when they saw red. Bayern rightly had to pay the price. Bayern rocked for a time but reorganised and looked what they are - a very good team indeed. But to my mind they kept possession rather than dominated it and they didn't actually do much more - their aim was to frustrate City rather than create chances and I don't think they ever really succeeded.

Now, I accept that City didn't hammer away at the Munich goal for 90 minutes either, but games at this level are rarely like that and I would also point out that Bayern's goals were not the result of wonderfully inventive play but of two incredibly sloppy pieces of defensive play and one very fortunate shoulder from Levandowski. If City's goals were lucky because our goals came from mistakes, why is the same not true of Bayern? Why are all goals not lucky?! So Bayern tried to run the clock down by keeping possession (and obvious time wasting) and City plugged away. No we didn't create a hatful of chances, but that's because Bayern can defend - so well, in fact, that they have only conceded 3 goals in the Bundesliga so far this season, but Scholes and Chiles kept that quiet!

And then we did step up the pace! Jovetic has not received any credit for his part in the equalizer. It was a careless pass from Alonso, but Jovetic had clearly been watching his lap top in preparation for the game - he started his run for the interception before the pass was even likely. And Sergio did the rest! As he did 5 minutes later! But he forced Boateng into the error and once he'd got it there was only going to be one outcome.

Now, I accept that Bayern may well be the best club side in the world, but I have never thought Boateng and Dante are anywhere near being the best central defensive partnership in the world. And over 90 minutes I always fancied Sergio would come out well ahead, and so it proved. He is as good as anyone in the world and he exposed them three times to win the match - but that's why we bought him, that's why the Sheikh didn't go back for Lee Bradbury. The last time Bayern came unstuck in the CL was to a team featuring the two most expensive players in history, but no-one sneered that Madrid only won because they had Ronaldo and Bale in the team! And if the sneerers want to know where we'd be without Sergio, they can look at last season where we had to cope without him for half the PL season. He's in a class of his own, but City are NOT a one man band! And if Bayern were weakened we must point out that, not only could Ya Ya, Ferna, Silva, Dzeko and Kolorov not play, but Bayern could pick from a squad of 25 - we are allowed a squad of 21, "to ensure fair play"! If you were in City's squad and you were fit, you were either in the team or on the bench on Tuesday. And this was the team which not only beat Bayern Munich, but scored as many goals in 90 minutes as the Bundesliga have managed against Bayern in 15 games. Well, Mr Savage, are we really as embarrassing as that?!

Well said that man, Savage is just a newbie arselicker to the pandering arselicking shithouses at Fleet Street and ex United players who fear being removed from club Trafford if they don't keep up the pro United anti City agenda.

When Bayern went down to ten men all they did was adopt a 441 formation, hardly a fucking masterclass in ball retention.

 

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Interesting perspective: <a class="postlink" href="http://www.bavarianfootballworks.com/2014/11/27/7298675/bayern-munichs-late-collapse-against-manchester-city-was-forseeable" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.bavarianfootballworks.com/20 ... forseeable</a>

 

[Ray78]

Bayern Munich lost after two late goals by Manchester City, but those goals were more the product of Manchester City's man advantage then any mistake by Bayern Munich



When Bayern Munich went up 2-1 in the 41st minute, it came on the back of a 20 minute performance where 10-man Bayern Munich ran circles around a Manchester City defense. It was a truly astounding display and it was probably the point where the expectations flew out the window. Bayern Munich were down to 10 men. Manchester City are a very very good team, despite their struggles. Give them an inch and they will win. And the late "lapses" from Bayern Munich were far less the team failing and more that Manchester City finally found the right combination to exploit their man advantage.

Manchester City's Equalizer

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In the 82nd minute, Sergio Aguero scored Manchester City's second goal to equalize. That goal started with a sequence of attacking Bayern Munich play. Interchanges between Alons, Shaqiri, Robben, and Hojbjerg were dynamic and fast however the end left Bayern Munich isolated on one side of the field. Xabi Alonso is being pressured from behind with zero support as Manchester City closes the net. Rafinha is marked, Shaqiri is marked while Aguero and Nasri are marking the space preventing Alonso from passing to either Boateng or Robben. It's a closing net of pressure, where the extra man in midfield allows the pressure on Alonso to be immediate and intense. With the only passing option left for Alonso being Dante or a pass out of play, there's very little to be surprised about when Nasri reads the intent and intercepts the pass to Dante.

It's a sequence of clever defensive play and it's exactly what any good European team should be able to do when up a man.

Manchester City's Winner

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In stoppage time, Manchester City were pushing for the late winner. Again Bayern Munich were in possession before the ball was forced to the outside. Again we see the man advantage of Manchester City in effect. A double team on the far side culminates in Bayern Munich having to pass back into the backline. With a press and man advantage up front, Manchester City cuts off the ability of Dante to play the ball back to Neuer, into the midfield, or out to Juan Bernat. This leaves him with the only option of playing long. In this instance, the ball is immediately instantly recycled by the Blues who dump the ball back into the strikers.








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Bayern Munich lost control against Manchester City

Phillip Quinn







With City pushing into the Bayern half, it's the Bayern midfield's immediate response to step up and pressure the City midfielders.Down a man, Bayern are intent on using multiple pressers to win the ball back. While this strategy is one of the best, it leaves them with holes all over the place. Unfortunately, the man advantage of Manchester City ensures an open man so that when City recycles the ball quickly after Dante's ball out of the back, an open man is left in midfield. It's a sequence of rapid transitions, exactly when two 11-men sides see someone left open frequently. With 10 men that likelihood becomes even greater - and Manchester City exploits that advantage

A simple control, a simple pass to Aguero (Aguero takes a bad touch and the ball bounces off Boateng back to Aguero. That's not a mistake, that happens) sees the striker in on goal. Game over.

While Bayern Munich played an absolutely incredible game, controlling the match and dictating the tempo and flow of the game, the fact is they went down a man early to a very good Manchester City side. They're a team who knows how to exploit that with one of the better tactical coaches in Europe. While we all hoped that Bayern Munich could pull out the unbelievable, a far bigger slice of the credit for this loss goes to Manchester City's tactical astuteness in the second half and they way they forced Bayern Munich into corners.

 

[Gaylord du Bois]

One thing that seems to have gone unnoticed is that our third came from a basic error from Neuer.
He hooked the ball out of bounds left, which, from the resulting throw-in, led to our third goal.

 

[CC1]

I watched the match on ITV, went from elation to frustration and despair and then to euphoria as the game reached its pulsating climax. Then I entered the realms of fury as I heard the crap fed us by the panel of blockheads paid royally by ITV and read the rubbish the BBC's experts served up.

I took issue with the cliche that City can't play in Europe, but the team and the fans might feel they deserve to be in the CL now. Need we remind these "experts" that we're in the CL because we are champions of England, for the second time in three seasons, but we get stuck in the group of death each year because UEFA don't deserve to run the competition. So we play Bayern in three seasons out of the last four and actually beat them in 3 of the 6 games. Has any other club recorded as many wins against them? And this at a time when they are supposed to be the best club side in the world!

Then the Trafford Appreciation Society explained how poor our performance was. Against ten men! And a Bayern weakened by injuries! We never looked like soring! They dominated possession! They looked better on the ball! We were outclassed! We're a one man team - without Aguero we'd win nothing! And he had to be helped by three very uncharacteristic mistakes from Bayern!

To me this appeared to have been adopted as the party line before the game began, and was to be maintained whatever the result. But it does ignore what actually happened. Yes we were against ten men, but that wasn't because Bayern had the terrible luck to suffer four injuries. It was because their CB decided the only way he could cope with Lampard's through ball to Sergio was to kick our lad's feet from under him as he prepared to shoot. No-one else took the decision, and no-one had any sympathy with Ya Ya or Ferna when they saw red. Bayern rightly had to pay the price. Bayern rocked for a time but reorganised and looked what they are - a very good team indeed. But to my mind they kept possession rather than dominated it and they didn't actually do much more - their aim was to frustrate City rather than create chances and I don't think they ever really succeeded.

Now, I accept that City didn't hammer away at the Munich goal for 90 minutes either, but games at this level are rarely like that and I would also point out that Bayern's goals were not the result of wonderfully inventive play but of two incredibly sloppy pieces of defensive play and one very fortunate shoulder from Levandowski. If City's goals were lucky because our goals came from mistakes, why is the same not true of Bayern? Why are all goals not lucky?! So Bayern tried to run the clock down by keeping possession (and obvious time wasting) and City plugged away. No we didn't create a hatful of chances, but that's because Bayern can defend - so well, in fact, that they have only conceded 3 goals in the Bundesliga so far this season, but Scholes and Chiles kept that quiet!

And then we did step up the pace! Jovetic has not received any credit for his part in the equalizer. It was a careless pass from Alonso, but Jovetic had clearly been watching his lap top in preparation for the game - he started his run for the interception before the pass was even likely. And Sergio did the rest! As he did 5 minutes later! But he forced Boateng into the error and once he'd got it there was only going to be one outcome.

Now, I accept that Bayern may well be the best club side in the world, but I have never thought Boateng and Dante are anywhere near being the best central defensive partnership in the world. And over 90 minutes I always fancied Sergio would come out well ahead, and so it proved. He is as good as anyone in the world and he exposed them three times to win the match - but that's why we bought him, that's why the Sheikh didn't go back for Lee Bradbury. The last time Bayern came unstuck in the CL was to a team featuring the two most expensive players in history, but no-one sneered that Madrid only won because they had Ronaldo and Bale in the team! And if the sneerers want to know where we'd be without Sergio, they can look at last season where we had to cope without him for half the PL season. He's in a class of his own, but City are NOT a one man band! And if Bayern were weakened we must point out that, not only could Ya Ya, Ferna, Silva, Dzeko and Kolorov not play, but Bayern could pick from a squad of 25 - we are allowed a squad of 21, "to ensure fair play"! If you were in City's squad and you were fit, you were either in the team or on the bench on Tuesday. And this was the team which not only beat Bayern Munich, but scored as many goals in 90 minutes as the Bundesliga have managed against Bayern in 15 games. Well, Mr Savage, are we really as embarrassing as that?!

Well said that man, Savage is just a newbie arselicker to the pandering arselicking shithouses at Fleet Street and ex United players who fear being removed from club Trafford if they don't keep up the pro United anti City agenda.

When Bayern went down to ten men all they did was adopt a 441 formation, hardly a fucking masterclass in ball retention.

Re Savage - nothing to do with allegiance to any club….he needs to work so makes controversial statements so that he will be paid by the media to explain them. He's no different from Rodney Marsh who plays the same game

 

[Bill]

Wow it's interesting to see everybody cheering up after a blatant fixed game. Check any italian football forum. So obvious, two gifts in the last minutes. Bayern shame of Europe! it's not the first time they do it for the money, check UEFA cup against Zenit where some Bayern players got bribed. How comes they didnt play vs City the way they played vs ROMA, Guardiola fielding bullshit kids and bragging what a professional he is always going for victory. And City is no better for pulling this rigged shit, FUCKING PATHETIC. We may not be among the big teams of Europe but we have pride. Oh and you wont be welcomed in ROMA!

you are not even a big team in italy. ac milan who are off the boil at the moment make you lot seem like palermo.

not that you'd know, i mean have you ever even been to italy?

 

[mancity2012_eamo]

Bayern Munich lost after two late goals by Manchester City, but those goals were more the product of Manchester City's man advantage then any mistake by Bayern Munich



When Bayern Munich went up 2-1 in the 41st minute, it came on the back of a 20 minute performance where 10-man Bayern Munich ran circles around a Manchester City defense. It was a truly astounding display and it was probably the point where the expectations flew out the window. Bayern Munich were down to 10 men. Manchester City are a very very good team, despite their struggles. Give them an inch and they will win. And the late "lapses" from Bayern Munich were far less the team failing and more that Manchester City finally found the right combination to exploit their man advantage.

Manchester City's Equalizer

bayern-munihc-manchester-city-ucl5-loss-goal2-aguero




In the 82nd minute, Sergio Aguero scored Manchester City's second goal to equalize. That goal started with a sequence of attacking Bayern Munich play. Interchanges between Alons, Shaqiri, Robben, and Hojbjerg were dynamic and fast however the end left Bayern Munich isolated on one side of the field. Xabi Alonso is being pressured from behind with zero support as Manchester City closes the net. Rafinha is marked, Shaqiri is marked while Aguero and Nasri are marking the space preventing Alonso from passing to either Boateng or Robben. It's a closing net of pressure, where the extra man in midfield allows the pressure on Alonso to be immediate and intense. With the only passing option left for Alonso being Dante or a pass out of play, there's very little to be surprised about when Nasri reads the intent and intercepts the pass to Dante.

It's a sequence of clever defensive play and it's exactly what any good European team should be able to do when up a man.

Manchester City's Winner

bayern-munich-manchester-city-ucl5-loss-aguero-goal3




In stoppage time, Manchester City were pushing for the late winner. Again Bayern Munich were in possession before the ball was forced to the outside. Again we see the man advantage of Manchester City in effect. A double team on the far side culminates in Bayern Munich having to pass back into the backline. With a press and man advantage up front, Manchester City cuts off the ability of Dante to play the ball back to Neuer, into the midfield, or out to Juan Bernat. This leaves him with the only option of playing long. In this instance, the ball is immediately instantly recycled by the Blues who dump the ball back into the strikers.








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Bayern Munich lost control against Manchester City

Phillip Quinn







With City pushing into the Bayern half, it's the Bayern midfield's immediate response to step up and pressure the City midfielders.Down a man, Bayern are intent on using multiple pressers to win the ball back. While this strategy is one of the best, it leaves them with holes all over the place. Unfortunately, the man advantage of Manchester City ensures an open man so that when City recycles the ball quickly after Dante's ball out of the back, an open man is left in midfield. It's a sequence of rapid transitions, exactly when two 11-men sides see someone left open frequently. With 10 men that likelihood becomes even greater - and Manchester City exploits that advantage

A simple control, a simple pass to Aguero (Aguero takes a bad touch and the ball bounces off Boateng back to Aguero. That's not a mistake, that happens) sees the striker in on goal. Game over.

While Bayern Munich played an absolutely incredible game, controlling the match and dictating the tempo and flow of the game, the fact is they went down a man early to a very good Manchester City side. They're a team who knows how to exploit that with one of the better tactical coaches in Europe. While we all hoped that Bayern Munich could pull out the unbelievable, a far bigger slice of the credit for this loss goes to Manchester City's tactical astuteness in the second half and they way they forced Bayern Munich into corners.

It's a very strange read, that.
It's like as if this journalist watched the game and then actually analyzed what he saw rather than fitted it into a headline or piece he already had written.
Right or wrong in the analysis, he actually tries to demonstrate the technicalities of the tactics employed and shows some understanding of the game.
It's a novel approach. Do you think it could catch on?

 

[chris63]