big gaz
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Shame that Wigan player wasn't Faz, Terry Newton ( R.I.P.) Barry McDermott. Shithouse Rooney hid behind the club and The Govan pisspot.
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Clattenburg admits to referee bias towards United
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Blue Til Death
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Most of his hair was rubbed off between grannies legs.. Horrible, ugly **** ..Retained his ahem boyish good looks throughout the years hasn't he...........
Trevor Morley's Tache
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Yes.Didn't a red scouse do one against us the next week in the LC semi in exactly the same place on the pitch and Lee Mason did fuck all?
I can't remember who it was. I think it might have been Skirtel on Aguero.
Andy TheCatalyst Morrison
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Yep.That 2nd half performance was one of the proudest days of being a blue :)
My lad was in tears at half-time and wanted to leave. It was obviously a couple of months after the sick swan and he thought it was going to be something similar in reverse. I told him to, and I paraphrase, "man the fuck up" and we proceeded to witness a rollicking second half performance. Almost equalised at the death as well.
Pride is the right word. Which the rags trying to give it out the next day just couldn't understand. For them it's all about winning (at all costs), but that second half was was yet another signifier that the balance of power was shifting.
FightLikeAGirl
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I wish I could say I was surprised, but I'm not.
PannickAtTheDisco
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Surprised more isn’t being made of Rashford’s comments. Or is he not talking about seeking an advantage by diving.
wouldn't be like the media to report Saint Marcus admitting cheating, not after they've built up his and the rags brand again by exploiting child poverty and hunger to create a new faux superstar.
LongsightM13
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“That’s how you playYep.
My lad was in tears at half-time and wanted to leave. It was obviously a couple of months after the sick swan and he thought it was going to be something similar in reverse. I told him to, and I paraphrase, "man the fuck up" and we proceeded to witness a rollicking second half performance. Almost equalised at the death as well.
Pride is the right word. Which the rags trying to give it out the next day just couldn't understand. For them it's all about winning (at all costs), but that second half was was yet another signifier that the balance of power was shifting.
“With ten men”.....
oddfellows
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I was fooking fuming that day, Mancini not happy either, quite rightly imoGood memory..
Pingu the Penguin
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Ok so I emailed Martin Samuel - will let you know if he replies:
"Dear Martin
I wanted to flag some concerns I have about potential corruption in football, and to enquire whether you are currently investigating any of this.
Mark Clattenburg recently made some explosive suggestions in your own newspaper (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/f...BURG-Stop-hypocrite-Jurgen-guys-dive-too.html).
Speaking of Jurgen Klopp’s recent comments on refereeing decisions he said:
“But he [Klopp] is wrong to suggest there is an aura around United that sees them given favourable decisions. There used to be when Fergie was there, but that has eased massively since he left.”
On the face of it this is a jokey comment, but it is actually very insightful. He tacitly accepts that a manager put pressure on referees to give certain decisions. Whilst unsurprising this is worrying. What sort of pressure, and how was it applied? Alternatively, (and note use of the words “aura” and “favourable” in this regard) it is also possible to imply that the said manager may have positively sought influence (through inducement) rather than negatively (through pressure). I, of course, am not making such an accusation as I don’t have any proof to make it– but the point to explore through investigation is there.
In isolation this comment from a high profile referee might be un-concerning. However, it follows comments from Mark Halsey regarding the Professional Game Match Officials Limited (PGMOL) and its head, Mike Riley. In his book Added Time he reference a specific, disputed refereeing decision he made. He was contacted by PGMOL about his decision and he said of that contact:
“When I got the call I said I was still happy — but they said my bosses weren’t happy. I was under pressure to say I hadn’t seen it.”
The conclusion here is clear. Referees are subject to undue influence from powerful bodies/individuals in football to change their decisions. In a tweet from 2016 () Halsey reiterated the point:
“I have been in that situation when I have seen an incident and been told to say I haven't seen it”.
The Calciopoli scandal in Italy showed that referees can be influenced to fix matches by powerful bodies/individuals. The comments from Clattenburg and Halsey show that there is a reasonable degree of probability that similar is happening in English football.
I would have expected either PGMOL, the FA, or the Premier League to have launched an immediate, thorough, and transparent investigation once these points were made publicly - to preserve the integrity of the game. Afterall, earlier this month, the Wolves Manager Nuno Espirito Santo was fined for comment he made in the press about Lee Mason, on the basis that they implied ’bias, attack[ed] the official’s integrity, are personally offensive, prolonged, or particularly unreasonable’.
Here we have prima facie evidence from 2 referees that unethical behaviour from senior bodies/individuals is influencing referees. If this doesn’t raise serious concerns about the integrity of the game which warrant investigation, publicly, then I find that very surprising.
I’d be grateful for your observations, if you have time to give them. Are you looking into this? Would you be prepared to raise the issue with governing bodies?
Thanks"
"Dear Martin
I wanted to flag some concerns I have about potential corruption in football, and to enquire whether you are currently investigating any of this.
Mark Clattenburg recently made some explosive suggestions in your own newspaper (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/f...BURG-Stop-hypocrite-Jurgen-guys-dive-too.html).
Speaking of Jurgen Klopp’s recent comments on refereeing decisions he said:
“But he [Klopp] is wrong to suggest there is an aura around United that sees them given favourable decisions. There used to be when Fergie was there, but that has eased massively since he left.”
On the face of it this is a jokey comment, but it is actually very insightful. He tacitly accepts that a manager put pressure on referees to give certain decisions. Whilst unsurprising this is worrying. What sort of pressure, and how was it applied? Alternatively, (and note use of the words “aura” and “favourable” in this regard) it is also possible to imply that the said manager may have positively sought influence (through inducement) rather than negatively (through pressure). I, of course, am not making such an accusation as I don’t have any proof to make it– but the point to explore through investigation is there.
In isolation this comment from a high profile referee might be un-concerning. However, it follows comments from Mark Halsey regarding the Professional Game Match Officials Limited (PGMOL) and its head, Mike Riley. In his book Added Time he reference a specific, disputed refereeing decision he made. He was contacted by PGMOL about his decision and he said of that contact:
“When I got the call I said I was still happy — but they said my bosses weren’t happy. I was under pressure to say I hadn’t seen it.”
The conclusion here is clear. Referees are subject to undue influence from powerful bodies/individuals in football to change their decisions. In a tweet from 2016 () Halsey reiterated the point:
“I have been in that situation when I have seen an incident and been told to say I haven't seen it”.
The Calciopoli scandal in Italy showed that referees can be influenced to fix matches by powerful bodies/individuals. The comments from Clattenburg and Halsey show that there is a reasonable degree of probability that similar is happening in English football.
I would have expected either PGMOL, the FA, or the Premier League to have launched an immediate, thorough, and transparent investigation once these points were made publicly - to preserve the integrity of the game. Afterall, earlier this month, the Wolves Manager Nuno Espirito Santo was fined for comment he made in the press about Lee Mason, on the basis that they implied ’bias, attack[ed] the official’s integrity, are personally offensive, prolonged, or particularly unreasonable’.
Here we have prima facie evidence from 2 referees that unethical behaviour from senior bodies/individuals is influencing referees. If this doesn’t raise serious concerns about the integrity of the game which warrant investigation, publicly, then I find that very surprising.
I’d be grateful for your observations, if you have time to give them. Are you looking into this? Would you be prepared to raise the issue with governing bodies?
Thanks"