Clattenburg (Update p59 - not selected next weekend)

Re: Clattenburg

Exactly, there were no appeals from their players at the time and therefore no decision to be made, because no one saw anything in the incident, just a coming together.

The anti agenda crew are even now trying to say that a blatantly correct decision against the rags (ie the evans sending off) is proof that there is no agenda!!

So one correct decision, in which everyone agrees was a sending off, means that there is no bias!? Ycnmiu
 
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M18CTID said:
BoyBlue_1985 said:
To the point I originally came on here to discuss after reading some papers (very slowly as I am dim.) If Clattenburg has said what Chelsea have accused him of than he would have to be sacked. Some important things here, probably no evidence so get out of jail free card for the FA although with the current racism furore they might have no choice but to sack him anyway to avoid further issues. Will anyone actually believe what Chelsea are saying after the JT incident and indeed are they telling the truth to begin with??
After the game RDM, Mikel and Ron Gourlay all went to ask Clattenburg to apologise to Mikel which he refused to do. I have a feeling that Clattenburg may have to be suspended while this is investigated

RDM strikes me as a decent bloke so I can't see it being fabricated, unless Mikel has lied to him about it? Who know's what's gone on?

Thats the thing RDM has to believe his players but they may be lying. I would think after all thats happened Chelsea would of just let Clattenburg apologise that's why I think this may have some legs
 
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The cookie monster said:
inchy14 said:
BoyBlue_1985 said:
The commentators commented on it during the game and it was the first thing Souness mentioned afterwards

I didn't hear the commentary mate as i was there and didn't watch it till a lot later, my point is it was in front of the spurs dugout and not even they complained about it.

Anyway this thread is about Clattenburg, and whatever anyone says he's given United some favourable decisions over the years, that no one can dispute
Are you sure you were there,is the spurs dugout in the middle of the pitch?
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6caNpwDYJ98[/youtube]

Can't see that youtube clip as i'm in work, but as far as i can remember it happened just inside the halfway line to the right of the tunnel and not as far over as the centre circle, correct me if i'm wrong.

My point still stands that the nearest people to it, Parker and Modric never complained at all.

And yes mate i was there, and in block 326 you get a fucking good view of all of the game and i didn't think he'd done anything wrong at the time either, and i'm not some blue tinted glasses wearing supporter.
 
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The most important thing to Mark Clattenburg is Mark Clattenburg. He is of the opinion that, when he's refereeing a football match, he is an integral part of the game, as vital and important as any of the footballers out there. He's a star, in the same way that Sergio Aguero, Wayne Rooney or Steven Gerrard are. His ego is such that he craves the limelight, the attention. He makes certain that everyone, players, fans, TV viewers are aware of his presence, if he could wear a neon flashing sign with a huge arrow on it pointing down at him at all times he would do.

The problem Clattenburg had, prior to yesterday, was he'd been banished from United games for a year. United games get the greatest press coverage, they are almost invariably the games chosen for live TV coverage, they are some of the highest priority games in the country, the kind of games Clattenburg feels he belongs in. And he's not been allowed to take part. For 12 months now he's had to watch as others, Webb, Atkinson, Foy, Oliver have strutted and preened in front of the cameras. He should be there, it should be him, he's the important one, not them. So, Sunday comes and finally Clattenburg is given his reprieve, there you go Marky boy, it's Chelsea V United, a big game, a huge game, a game befitting a man of your talents. He's back, back where he belongs, now he just neds to make sure he stays there.

15 minutes in, United are 2-0 up, things are going brilliantly, everyone is happy, this will turn out just fine. 2-1 at half time, closer but still going fine. 2-2 and Chelsea in the assendency, oh-oh this isn't going to plan at all. Ivanovic screws up, oh joy, I don't even have to make a decision here, it's red, no-one will argue, than you Bratislav you've made my day really easy now. Hang on, 11 V 10 and United still aren't dominating, Fergie won't like this. Damnit, Torres has gone down on the edge of the box, bit theatrical though, hang on a minute this is my chance to shine. Quick check to make sure the camera gets my good side, red card. There we go, job done. Excellent 3-2, no way back for Chelsea now, my place at the top table is now secure.

Allegedly.
 
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The anti agenda crew are even now trying to say that a blatantly correct decision against the rags (ie the evans sending off) is proof that there is no agenda!!

That's what I've seen rags saying on Facebook numerous times yesterday - "He is not biased, just look at derby match last season".. like he did something wrong against them in that match.

I've even read it here though it might be from that Stockholm syndrome affected MCFCBOB
 
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plongo said:
Clattenberg has the worst trait possible in a referee:
He has a massive ego
It's commonly accepted that the best refs are unobtrusive, they understand that the game itself is the most important part - not their input. The good ones let the game flow as best they can, keeping the momentum of the contest, so that minor niggles are soon forgotten by the players, who become absorbed in the game rather than focussing on "incidentals" and distractions.
Clattenberg likes to be the main focus (of all, including importantly the camera) this is demonstrated by his preening eg; his ott attention to his hairstyle - he's a player wannabee but that's another of his issues. Also his constant stopping of the game to "lecture" players ("ooh look the camera's on me again")
He needs to be the centre of attention. Ego maniac
For me the big give away yesterday was that having lost control (of himself and the game) by making a terrible and obviously wrong decision, which tilted the game enormously in one team's direction, his body language betrayed him. He looked guilty and was (to me) clearly reliving the incident in his mind over and over again - see the flushed face and taut facial expressions. He knew he was in the wrong and exposed - which would explain his alleged outburst to the Chelsea players - stress does amazing things to people.
My opinion is that he is not corrupt - just guilty of having a massive ego
and is the extreme attention seeker

theres a few fair points in there , good post.
 
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Chelsea's 9 remaining players on the pitch cost more than the 11 united players on the pitch in terms of transfer fee's and wages so Chelsea still should have won.

No point blaming the ref.
 
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Say hello to Cheattenburg


Clattenburg is Marked down as Utd star of the future


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CLATT'S THAT ... United's Van Persie makes point as Clattenburg books Valencia


IF it goes on like this, Howard Webb will lose his place in the Manchester United side to Mark Clattenburg.

Very harsh, perhaps. But not totally unfair.
It’s a sentiment a few others may well be sharing this morning after United escaped from Stamford Bridge yesterday with their first win there in a decade.
Manager Alex Ferguson has moaned for years that United never get anything at Chelsea except a raw deal.

Twice in the last few years alone he has seen his side depart empty-handed after Martin Atkinson blundered in giving free-kicks which led to goals that turned out to be Chelsea winners.

After United, for a change, got away with daylight robbery, Ferguson said: “We have had some shocking decisions down here over the years.”
There were more of them yesterday. This time, though, they were in United’s favour and went some way towards making the deeply suspicious Scot feel that, maybe, the world is not always against him and his lovely boys.

He will have got this unlikely sensation for the first time last season when United came back to share the points after trailing 3-0 at half-time.
Now, for the second successive season, he was able to leave Stamford Bridge with something other than the hump.

For that he can thank his new mate Clattenburg, who came up with the sort of United-friendly decisions we always thought to be the exclusive territory of the previously mentioned Webb.
All in all, it was a staggeringly inept performance from a man claimed to be our second-best match official.

It would then get worse when Clattenburg was reported to the FA by Chelsea for twice using ‘inappropriate language’ towards their players.

Refereeing in this country has been a disgrace for so many years that it was only going to be a matter of time before they became the great talking point once more.
In a way, perhaps, we should thank them as I’m not sure there’s much left to wring out of a race debate that both sides have grown increasingly weary of.
But that doesn’t excuse the manner in which the appalling Clattenburg ruined one of the season’s great matches yesterday.

A capacity crowd and millions at home had been swept along on a carousel of thrills, spills and emotions as the European champions locked horns with the latest team to come off the Old Trafford conveyor belt.

They had seen Robin van Persie power United into a 2-0 lead inside the opening 12 minutes as the visitors attacked what they deemed the weak point in the Chelsea defence — England left-back Ashley Cole. Well, if not Cole then certainly Chelsea’s left flank, where both Oscar and Eden Hazard were giving Cole no cover whatsoever.

Twice, United broke down the left and twice the ball was cut back for Van Persie to hammer home. But Chelsea fought back with guts and style.
A perfectly-struck Juan Mata free-kick — after Wayne Rooney had clipped Hazard’s ankles when the Belgian had the cheek to nick the ball off old spudface — made it 2-1 just before the break. A powerful Ramires header eight minutes into the second-half then made it all-square.

No one, not even the United fans, could deny Chelsea hadn’t earned it. Everything had been set up for a magical, pulsating last half hour.
Enter the clod-hopping Clattenburg in the 63rd minute.
OK, we’ll give him the benefit of the doubt over the first red card that reduced Chelsea to 10 men. Not that I want to.

But people keep banging on about how rules are rules and if a forward (Ashley Young) bites the dust when pursued by a defender (Branislav Ivanovic) and if that defender is the last defender even though contact is minimal then... on yer bike, son.
Yet there should be some leeway for refs in ‘last defender’ situations where there is neither shirt-tugging, tripping or anything out of the pages of the ‘Sly Art of Defending’.
Perhaps, in cases like this, there should be a case for just a yellow.
But it was the second red card — five minutes later — that condemned Clattenburg as the villain of the piece.

OK, Chelsea striker Fernando Torres has earned a reputation over the last few seasons as a play actor. But for him to have received a second yellow for allegedly diving over a Jonny Evans tackle was a nonsense. Many will say the Spaniard had it coming as he could well have been sent off for an earlier throat-high tackle on Tom Cleverley.

But that is not the point. The point is, in that case, Clattenburg made two decisions about Torres and got them both wrong.
He and his linesman then put the icing on the cake.
They did so by failing to detect that Javier Hernandez was offside as the Mexican substitute scored United’s 75th-minute winner.

Then came the later allegations of ‘inappropriate language’ aimed at two players, one believed to be Jon Obi Mikel.
Not a great day for Clattenburg who has got referees right back where they don’t want to be.


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DaveTheYid said:
Chelsea's 9 remaining players on the pitch cost more than the 11 united players on the pitch in terms of transfer fee's and wages so Chelsea still should have won.

No point blaming the ref.

You are either very stupid or a troll. If it's the later, I'm quickly becoming bored by it.
 

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