Clattenburg (Update p59 - not selected next weekend)

[Franny Lee's Barrel Chest]

for me the interesting thing is going to be the inappropriate behaviour allegation, i cant wait to see how his fellow referees view this. if he gets banned for foul language then i am sure that they could kick up a real shit storm given what they put up with.

How would the FA respond if the ref's suddenly sent off every player who told them to fuck off. ( i'm looking at you Rooney & Scholes). I'm sure if they all got together and decided to send players off for foul and abusive ( inappropriate ) language then you could easily see 20 - 30 premier players sent off in one weekend.

Now this would be be piss funny and how the hell would the FA deal with that.

But surely it’s their choice to let Shrek get away with it, game after game?
Most weekends there are Prem players booked for dissent, but he has 2 yellows in a season and a half, yet every time you see him, he’s in the face of the officials, screaming at them.
Why do other players get booked but he doesn’t?

As much as I don't like some refs, Clattenburg included, the amount of abuse they take off some players means I don't have a problem if they give a bit back and tell them to shut the fuck up or words to that effect - providing the words aren't of the same or similar ilk to what Clattenburg is alleged to have used on Sunday of course.

Ideally though, I agree that they should be booking everyone that shows dissent rather than only booking certain players and letting others get off with it. A blanket clampdown would see most of the abuse directed at refs disappear almost overnight.

It's strange how differently, depending on the level of football, refs appear to deal with this kind of behaviour. Back in 2008 I went to see the second leg of our FA Youth Cup semi-final against Sunderland at Eastlands. Sunderland scored but the linesman's flag went up and it was chalked off. 3 or 4 Sunderland players immediately ran over to the linesman to hound him about the decision but their protestations were cut short when the referee came straight over and booked every single one of them without hesitation. And that's how it should be at every level.

Couldn't agree more. Refs have it in their power to stop ANY dissent or foul language aimed at them and it shouldn't matter whether it's in the 1st minute or the 102nd. Unfortunately all referees are in it for themselves and think of their reputation with the clubs and their promotions rather than doing the right thing.

 

[BlueHammer85]

Peter Herbert from the Society of Black Lawyers tells BBC Radio 5 livewhy he reported the Mark Clattenburg case to the Metropolitan police:

"I'm not really a football fan so I didn't see the game. I saw the rolling news and it became clear there had been an incident. We waited until the next day and it was widely reported in the media who gave details. I consulted with my colleagues in the
organisation and we decided to formally report the matter to the Metropolitan Police.

"The purpose of that was to make sure it had been recorded as a racial incident. That doesn't prejudge it but it has the appearance of a racial incident and anyone can report it as such."


... so if im reading this right, they reported this incident based on media report ?

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

Peter Herbert from the Society of Black Lawyers tells BBC Radio 5 livewhy he reported the Mark Clattenburg case to the Metropolitan police:

"I'm not really a football fan so I didn't see the game. I saw the rolling news and it became clear there had been an incident. We waited until the next day and it was widely reported in the media who gave details. I consulted with my colleagues in the
organisation and we decided to formally report the matter to the Metropolitan Police.

"The purpose of that was to make sure it had been recorded as a racial incident. That doesn't prejudge it but it has the appearance of a racial incident and anyone can report it as such."


... so if im reading this right, they reported this incident based on media report ?

That's unbelievable. You'd imagine the first question the police would ask is "Were you the victim or a witness of the incident?" and if the answer was "no" they would show them the door.

 

[SWP's back]

Give it a rest Sam. It's not funny.

No.

And it is not intended to be funny.

Keep deleting my posts and I shall delete you on Saturday. ;-)

-- Wed Oct 31, 2012 12:50 pm --

You don't agree the society of black lawyers are coming across as self serving and having nothing to do with the case other than raise their profile?

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

You don't agree the society of black lawyers are coming across as self serving and having nothing to do with the case other than raise their profile?

I've said that if they aren't a witness or victim to the crime or it doesn't affect one of their members then it's nothing to do with them.

 

[cyprustavern]

Give it a rest Sam. It's not funny.

No.

And it is not intended to be funny.

Keep deleting my posts and I shall delete you on Saturday. ;-)

-- Wed Oct 31, 2012 12:50 pm --

You don't agree the society of black lawyers are coming across as self serving and having nothing to do with the case other than raise their profile?

im bored :-)

 

[BoyBlue_1985]

Give it a rest Sam. It's not funny.

No.

And it is not intended to be funny.

Keep deleting my posts and I shall delete you on Saturday. ;-)

-- Wed Oct 31, 2012 12:50 pm --

You don't agree the society of black lawyers are coming across as self serving and having nothing to do with the case other than raise their profile?

im bored :-)

Me too

 

[cyprustavern]

No.

And it is not intended to be funny.

Keep deleting my posts and I shall delete you on Saturday. ;-)

-- Wed Oct 31, 2012 12:50 pm --

You don't agree the society of black lawyers are coming across as self serving and having nothing to do with the case other than raise their profile?

im bored :-)

Me too

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

Play-time is over. Can we get back on topic please.

 

[Franny Lee's Barrel Chest]

The laws on hate crime are fairly clear. ANY person can report a hate crime incident if they feel that the incident is racist, homophobic etc. Doesn't have to be the victim or anyone associated with the incident. It's ANYONE who perceives it to be so. If it turns out not to be, then the investigation will show that.

The CPS Website define a racist hate crime as follows:

Any criminal offence which is perceived, by the victim or any other person, to be motivated by a hostility or prejudice based on a person's race or perceived race.