Sergio Picasso Aguero
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Wonder if it'll be done in time for him to make his debut against Stoke. Next weekend at home to West Ham is probably more realistic though.
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Claudio Bravo
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Bluemanc100
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The King is dead... Long live the King...It's going to feel shit saying goodbye to Hart but watching Bravo's debut will ease the pain nicely.
That's the phrase.. still doesn't feel right to me but it's business... I had hoped that Joe would work to prove he can change so we might see him as No.2 till the next window opens perhaps?
Not CL, because he wasn't on the list. Probably West HamIf rumors are true and he flies in tomorrow to sign. When could he realistically play his first game? CL return, or West Ham maybe?
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Think that still might happen, even if it does mean demotion to 3rd choice in the short term, Joe is a strong character with a firm belief in has own ability... Besides, and with all due respect, who the fcuk would want to go and live in Liverpool?The King is dead... Long live the King...
That's the phrase.. still doesn't feel right to me but it's business... I had hoped that Joe would work to prove he can change so we might see him as No.2 till the next window opens perhaps?
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I would think he deserves months, rather than weeks. IMO the time should be whatever is "reasonable" to allow someone to change longstanding habits. Didn't Pep say he thought he could develop Hart in about 7 months?Gen question to you, what do you consider is being given "sufficient or a proper chance", and do you think we could afford that time?
I have no problem us getting Bravo if that's what Pep believes we need but I think almost all City fans would think Joe Hart is better than Willy even in his distribution. Bravo seems better than both with his distribution. IMO Hart could have a justifiable grievance if he was effectively dropped from number 1 to number 3 without being given a fair chance. I don't think it would be unreasonable for Joe Hart to be number 2 under Bravo, ahead of Willy.
If he doesn't show a good attitude I'm sure he will be loaned out or sold.Another gen question. What if Joe doesn't want to accept peps ways? TBH, having watched his display against Arsenal, that is not beyond the realms of possibility.
If he accepts Pep's ways and shows a good attitude I think Joe deserves a chance to learn and fight for his place under one of the best managers in modern football. I know others have said he might fear for his International future, if he is not a leading club number one but maybe he is prepared to take that chance and show Pep he has better footwork than he believes.
I seem to recall Hart was also an excellent cricketer which usually requires good footwork and judgement?
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Bluemanc100
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You can work there but escape daily..... It's actually a pretty cool City.. Don't shoot me thoughThink that still might happen, even if it does mean demotion to 3rd choice in the short term, Joe is a strong character with a firm belief in has own ability... Besides, and with all due respect, who the fcuk would want to go and live in Liverpool?
zeven
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That list were only for qualifing games,Not CL, because he wasn't on the list. Probably West Ham
zeven
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After yesterdays game i now understand why Pep wants a ball playing keeper.
I know, i replied to "CL return"That list were only for qualifing games,
twoddlehopper
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Id say the 'sufficient' chance would be the fa and league cup. I think as a club we can all say Joe deserves to try and shine through in them at least.Gen question to you, what do you consider is being given "sufficient or a proper chance", and do you think we could afford that time?
malg
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My brother was telling me there's a great YouTube video of him playing the ball out from the back, and going that far out, that a defender had to go and cover the goals, then Bravo past it back to him. Anyone else seen it?
zeven
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My brother was telling me there's a great YouTube video of him playing the ball out from the back, and going that far out, that a defender had to go and cover the goals, then Bravo past it back to him. Anyone else seen it?
malg
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Probably been posted before, but hey ho:
PASSING ABILITY
Joe Hart:
Passes attempted: 1,241
Completion %: 52
Avg. pass length: 43.82 metres
Claudio Bravo:
Passes attempted: 1,694
Completion %: 76.3
Avg. pass length: 34.62 metres
It's clear that Bravo is more composed with the ball at his feet than Hart. He spent the 2013-14 season at Real Sociedad but it is when he moved to Barcelona where he really shone, completing 83.5 per cent of his passes in the past two seasons.
You've only got to look at the disparity in average pass length to notice that the Chilean is more accustomed to starting attacks with shorter passes. Hart averaged 42.8 metres in this category in 2015-16, which, in Guardiola's view, is far too high.
Manuel Neuer, his goalkeeper at Bayern Munich for the past three seasons, averaged 27.06m in average pass length in the Bundesliga last term.
Guardiola wants his goalkeepers to play short passes to his defenders. This isn't an overly difficult task but something that hasn't been a requirement of Hart in his time at Man City.
That Bravo is a natural in possession only adds to Hart's woes.
HART 0 BRAVO 1
GOALKEEPING SKILLS
Joe Hart:
Clean sheets: 42
Goals conceded: 100
Saves: 189
Saves per goal: 1.96
Claudio Bravo:
Clean sheets: 51
Goals conceded: 93
Saves: 227
Saves per goal: 2.93
Another category in which Hart cannot compete with Bravo. Last season, the Chilean conceded 22 goals yet still managed to make 68 saves; Hart allowed 36 goals and made 67 saves.
We've viewed Hart as a fine shot-stopper in recent years - among the finest England has produced - but compare him to Europe's best and his reputation certainly takes a hit.
HART 0 BRAVO 2
ERRORS
Joe Hart:
Defensive errors: 10
Errors leading to goals: eight
Claudio Bravo:
Defensive errors: 10
Errors leading to goals: five
Rather concerningly, mistakes have crept into Hart's game over the past year. He made four errors that led to goals for City last season and was at fault for two goals for England at Euro 2016, including allowing Gareth Bale's free-kick to swerve past him.
If City are to challenge for the Premier League, yet alone the Champions League, they're are going to need a reliable man between the sticks. It's not wrong to suggest Hart is no longer that man.
HART 0 BRAVO 3
CONCLUSION
Hart is a fine shot-stopper but the modern game requires goalkeepers who are adept with the ball at their feet. Guardiola is the biggest advocate of this, helping to evolve the position by turning Neuer into a 'sweeper-keeper' and in a decade's time we could well see goalkeepers who are as comfortable in possession as midfielders.
Though Bravo is 33, he can certainly meet Guardiola's demands for another three or four seasons while City groom his eventual replacement.
It makes perfect sense for the Citizens to buy the Barcelona man, especially for £17m. And City would even make a profit on that if they decide to sell Hart, who simply finds himself working under a management who views the goalkeeper position in an entirely unique way
PASSING ABILITY
Joe Hart:
Passes attempted: 1,241
Completion %: 52
Avg. pass length: 43.82 metres
Claudio Bravo:
Passes attempted: 1,694
Completion %: 76.3
Avg. pass length: 34.62 metres
It's clear that Bravo is more composed with the ball at his feet than Hart. He spent the 2013-14 season at Real Sociedad but it is when he moved to Barcelona where he really shone, completing 83.5 per cent of his passes in the past two seasons.
You've only got to look at the disparity in average pass length to notice that the Chilean is more accustomed to starting attacks with shorter passes. Hart averaged 42.8 metres in this category in 2015-16, which, in Guardiola's view, is far too high.
Manuel Neuer, his goalkeeper at Bayern Munich for the past three seasons, averaged 27.06m in average pass length in the Bundesliga last term.
Guardiola wants his goalkeepers to play short passes to his defenders. This isn't an overly difficult task but something that hasn't been a requirement of Hart in his time at Man City.
That Bravo is a natural in possession only adds to Hart's woes.
HART 0 BRAVO 1
GOALKEEPING SKILLS
Joe Hart:
Clean sheets: 42
Goals conceded: 100
Saves: 189
Saves per goal: 1.96
Claudio Bravo:
Clean sheets: 51
Goals conceded: 93
Saves: 227
Saves per goal: 2.93
Another category in which Hart cannot compete with Bravo. Last season, the Chilean conceded 22 goals yet still managed to make 68 saves; Hart allowed 36 goals and made 67 saves.
We've viewed Hart as a fine shot-stopper in recent years - among the finest England has produced - but compare him to Europe's best and his reputation certainly takes a hit.
HART 0 BRAVO 2
ERRORS
Joe Hart:
Defensive errors: 10
Errors leading to goals: eight
Claudio Bravo:
Defensive errors: 10
Errors leading to goals: five
Rather concerningly, mistakes have crept into Hart's game over the past year. He made four errors that led to goals for City last season and was at fault for two goals for England at Euro 2016, including allowing Gareth Bale's free-kick to swerve past him.
If City are to challenge for the Premier League, yet alone the Champions League, they're are going to need a reliable man between the sticks. It's not wrong to suggest Hart is no longer that man.
HART 0 BRAVO 3
CONCLUSION
Hart is a fine shot-stopper but the modern game requires goalkeepers who are adept with the ball at their feet. Guardiola is the biggest advocate of this, helping to evolve the position by turning Neuer into a 'sweeper-keeper' and in a decade's time we could well see goalkeepers who are as comfortable in possession as midfielders.
Though Bravo is 33, he can certainly meet Guardiola's demands for another three or four seasons while City groom his eventual replacement.
It makes perfect sense for the Citizens to buy the Barcelona man, especially for £17m. And City would even make a profit on that if they decide to sell Hart, who simply finds himself working under a management who views the goalkeeper position in an entirely unique way
malg
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Cheers. That shite at 1:43..........couldn't watch him do too much of that in a City shirt!
zeven
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True Our hearts have had enough beating over the years.Cheers. That shite at 1:43..........couldn't watch him do too much of that in a City shirt!
bumbleblue
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Is he definitely playing tonight if so Is it on the telly?
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yep he is, ter stegen is injuredIs he definitely playing tonight if so I sit on the telly?
kaz7
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No keeper will get away with that over here,otherwise he looks goodCheers. That shite at 1:43..........couldn't watch him do too much of that in a City shirt!
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