Claudio Bravo

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MarsLlama said:
Thing with Joe is that something crazy like 44% of goals he's conceded have been low to his left, like was said earlier on here. And it's been like that for six years. And he hasn't improved.

If he lets in that many goals in one position and he hasn't been working to improve it, then you have to wonder what he's been doing in training for the last six years.
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If you are going to put up stats like this then give us a number to compare to otherwise it's a waste of time reading your posts. I have no idea if 44% is high or low compared to the rest of the keepers. If the rest of the keepers get beat 45% of the time then Hart is doing well in this area. Also comparing % is a bit meaningless with the raw goals against as well so if a top keeper only let in 1 goal down to his left then his percentage would be 100% which would be stupid to compare against. So basically stats like this are meaningless.
 
domalino said:
Personally, I think the idea he's never had anyone to aim at is bullshit, but fortunately we don't even need to argue about that anymore because against Arsenal Hart had all the options he'll have under Pep, and he still put his foot through it and showed no interest in playing out from the back.
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Done quite deliberately, in my view, just to see how far Pep could be pushed. (Very silly thing to do) He now has the answer.
 
Eds said:
The thing about stats is that they don't tell the whole story. When Neuer receives the ball he has two or three players he can pass the ball to when Joe receives it invariably he has little option than to stick his foot through it.
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Completely agree that stats don't tell the whole story. However, it's more a question of composure. As much as I appreciate all he's done for us, Joe simply doesn't seem to have that.
 
GeorgeHeslop'sTackle. said:
Done quite deliberately, in my view, just to see how far Pep could be pushed. (Very silly thing to do) He now has the answer.
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Best case scenario he was unwilling to change because he was too scared to fail.

Worst case scenario he was deliberately ignoring the new manager as some sort of petulant act of rebellion, and if that's true, he should be out the door already.
 
tolmie's hairdoo said:
Seriously, you don't get it?

Do you think Clichy can replace Aguero, too?

It's horses for courses.

I'll try and put it another way, just because Joe can't do the job we now require, doesn't make him a bad goalkeeper, it just makes him the wrong one for Pep and City, going forward.
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Tolm i was Joking & agree with everything you're saying.
 
domalino said:
Best case scenario he was unwilling to change because he was too scared to fail.

Worst case scenario he was deliberately ignoring the new manager as some sort of petulant act of rebellion, and if that's true, he should be out the door already.
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Just showed that Willy was more prepared to follow instructions than Joe. So it should have been no surprise when Willy got the nod.
 
tolmie's hairdoo said:
Seriously, you don't get it?

Do you think Clichy can replace Aguero, too?

It's horses for courses.

I'll try and put it another way, just because Joe can't do the job we now require, doesn't make him a bad goalkeeper, it just makes him the wrong one for Pep and City, going forward.
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Yep Joe's not a bad keeper he is just now not what is needed in peps team and how the team as a whole move forward
 
domalino said:
Best case scenario he was unwilling to change because he was too scared to fail.

Worst case scenario he was deliberately ignoring the new manager as some sort of petulant act of rebellion, and if that's true, he should be out the door already.
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I may be wrong, but I do recall some quotes from Pep, somewhere, that he didn't mind mistakes, as long as they were an attempt to try and do something correctly?

My only concern would be Bravo's aerial ability?

Again, we've not had that with Hart, either.

Apart from his Schmeichel-esque type smothering in one-on-ones, I am expecting to see a huge positive with the change.
 
Bravo is top class, would be a great signing if he joins. Will be sad to see Hart leave not only on the pitch but his passion.

Bravo is as good or better at every aspect of keeping compared to Joe so this is not a situation where we are signing a keeper just because he is good with the ball, he is a genuine upgrade. I am going to assume the plan is Bravo for 3-4 year then hope Ruli has proven himself and we use our sign back option for a ready made keeper in his prime.
 
tolmie's hairdoo said:
I may be wrong, but I do recall some quotes from Pep, somewhere, that he didn't mind mistakes, as long as they were an attempt to try and do something correctly?

My only concern would be Bravo's aerial ability?

Again, we've not had that with Hart, either.

Apart from his Schmeichel-esque type smothering in one-on-ones, I am expecting to see a huge positive with the change.
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I agree and if I'm honest I'm hoping this move is with a view to getting Angus Gunn fighting for the no1 spot in the first team within 2 years. I think a large part of this decision is due to Pep seeing enough in Angus to believe he didn't need Ter-Stegan and could bring in Bravo as a top quality stop gap and mentor.
 
BerkshireBlue said:
If you are going to put up stats like this then give us a number to compare to otherwise it's a waste of time reading your posts. I have no idea if 44% is high or low compared to the rest of the keepers. If the rest of the keepers get beat 45% of the time then Hart is doing well in this area. Also comparing % is a bit meaningless with the raw goals against as well so if a top keeper only let in 1 goal down to his left then his percentage would be 100% which would be stupid to compare against. So basically stats like this are meaningless.
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44% of goals being conceded in 1/6th of the goal is very uncommon. However, the point is that Joe should be working on and improving that, which he hasn't. The 1st goal he let in vs Iceland and the 1st against Arsenal last Sunday are just two recent examples.
 
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