Climate Change is here and man made

[Ribble73]

You sound like a top-notch bloke.

Because we live here?

I agree concerned is correct but as opposed to changing the Earths Climate by whatever measures you care to mention is utter bollocks. It is not in our power -full stop- to change the climate of our planet (or any other celestial body). This is all far bigger than us Humans (at this point in our evolution at least)

 

[west didsblue]

I agree concerned is correct but as opposed to changing the Earths Climate by whatever measures you care to mention is utter bollocks. It is not in our power -full stop- to change the climate of our planet (or any other celestial body). This is all far bigger than us Humans (at this point in our evolution at least)

We can’t have any impact on natural climate change but we can do something about the element of climate change that is due to human activity, which has been the major contributory factor over the last 100 years and especially in the last 40. If you don’t believe it then you are disagreeing with thousands of people whose life’s work has been to study this, and you’re aligning yourself with the loons.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

I agree concerned is correct but as opposed to changing the Earths Climate by whatever measures you care to mention is utter bollocks. It is not in our power -full stop- to change the climate of our planet (or any other celestial body). This is all far bigger than us Humans (at this point in our evolution at least)

We can influence the rate at which it changes though.

 

[hilts]

Very true but if the affluent, invariably white, climate nutters have their way the very poorest will at least have a lot more company in their destitution.

if taxes are the answer let’s do it properly:

Tax first class travel at a rate of 1000%
Tax private jet purchases at 1000%
Tax fuel for private jets at 1000%
Tax vehicles above a threshold according to their mrp at 1000%
Tax income above 150k pa at 99.9% with all money raised given by law to provable climate improvement schemes
Tax imports from countries Who aren’t as worthy as ourselves at 1000%
Ban ownership of more than one motor vehicle. Or tax second vehicles at 200% of the purchase price Per annum.
Tax homes above a certain value that have unused bedrooms at 20% of market value per year.
Ban business travel where it can be shown business can be conducted via the internet.
Tax second and subsequent homes at 100% of market value per year.
Tax homes abroad at the same level.
Tax ownership of yachts at 100% of purchase price per year.

There are thousands more schemes that could raise money to fight the climate war and discourage fuel use that wouldnt adversely effect the bottom 10% of society.

why is it always the poorest that are hammered to pay for the alleged climate abuses of, let’s be honest here, big business and governments?
Beryl who has worked hard her whole life and eeks out an existence just wants to have a warm flat in the winter.

She just needs to stand next to you, she will get all the hot air she will ever need.

 

[1.618034]

Io, Enceladus, Europa -all observed by our machines passing by for only for a few hours or so along with all the atmospheric upheavals on the “Giant Planets” as they are called. We are absolutely micro-insignificant in the great scheme of things and to consider we could ever have any power to change any of this is ridiculous.

Please explain what Climate Change is happening on those three moons of Gas Giants...

Two of those are thought to potentially harbour simple lifeforms. The other, Io is that close to Jupiter that the tidal forces from the "Gas Giant", Jupiter, make it a vision of hell because of the volcanism it causes and has caused for millions of years.

What we observe is weather not climate change. We haven't studied them long enough to observe climate change, whereas we have data, from ice/soil/rock cores etc, going back millennia for Earth...




Global atmospheric carbon dioxide concentrations (CO2) in parts per million (ppm) for the past 800,000 years. The peaks and valleys track ice ages (low CO2) and warmer interglacials (higher CO2). During these cycles, CO2 was never higher than 300 ppm. On the geologic time scale, the increase (orange dashed line) looks virtually instantaneous. Graph by NOAA Climate.gov based on data from Lüthi, et al., 2008, via NOAA NCEI Paleoclimatology Program. [Update August 20, 2020. An earlier version of this image had an error in the scaling on the X axis. This affected the apparent duration and timing of the most recent ice ages, but did not affect the modern or paleoclimate carbon dioxide values.]

Highlights:

• Human activities have increased the concentration of carbon dioxide in our atmosphere, amplifying Earth's natural greenhouse effect.
• The global average amount of carbon dioxide hit a new record high in 2019: 409.8 parts per million.
• The annual rate of increase in atmospheric carbon dioxide over the past 60 years is about 100 times faster than previous natural increases, such as those that occurred at the end of the last ice age 11,000-17,000 years ago.
• The ocean has absorbed enough carbon dioxide to lower its pH by 0.1 units, a 30% increase in acidity.

Climate Change: Atmospheric Carbon Dioxide | NOAA Climate.gov

Human activities, mainly burning fossil fuels, are increasing the amount of carbon dioxide in our atmosphere, amplifying the natural greenhouse effect and making the pH of the ocean more acidic.

www.climate.gov

Please show us where we have observed anything like that happening on any other celestial body.

We MUST stop pumping extra CO2 etc into our atmosphere because it is possible that we will go beyond a tipping point. There are no certainties but to continue to ignore it is foolish and dangerous.

 

[1.618034]

Amazon rainforest now emitting more CO2 than it absorbs

Cutting emissions more urgent than ever, say scientists, with forest producing more than a billion tonnes of carbon dioxide a year

www.theguardian.com

FFS. We're fucked.

 

[splinter]

The flooding in Germany/ Belgium looks horrific..42 confirmed dead 70 missing and more heavy rain forecast..not looking good

 

[mancity1]

We can influence the rate at which it changes though.

Even if we can will it do more good than harm?

History is littered with facts that humans do worse when the climate cools and there is less food to feed the world than when it warms.

Not disagreeing with your premise but the dire forecasts of some of these modellers like there will be no more snow falling in Australia by 2020 and the Sydney elite will have to sell up before their harbour mansions get swallowed up by rising sea levels and the California coast is on borrowed time according to wonderful Al Gore whose carbon footprint and dedication to the tobacco industry knows no limits making a fortune in selling his media interests to oil producing countries back in 1990 and the Great Barrier Reef will be no longer by 2010 haven't exactly come to pass.

As an aside I remember how much money was transferred from the poor to the rich under the Y2K fraud.

Charging farmers who without their input and dedication to their craft would mean we have much less to keep ourselves alive with a tax for every fart their cattle emit into the troposphere and fertiliser required to harvest the food we eat to live longer than 20 years on this planet would ruin their livelihood and those reliant on their produce namely you and me.

Anybody who thinks electrifying the transport required to built up areas and cities is the answer is living in a parallel universe most likely one where climate change is merely two words in the English language.

 

[Bill Walker]

There's a David Attenborough doco about how the world has changed since covid.
Great watch

 

[bluethrunthru]