Climate Change is here and man made

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

I wonder why this bloke Iman's spiel has WEF decals but the views expressed are not those of the WEF?

None of us unless we are Walt Disney (LOL) will be around to see the impact of the warming of the climate or otherwise in the centuries to come but as I have said before I suspect unless the Suns inevitable explosion is accelerated somewhat , man will be around in larger numbers than now solving the issues of the day some which are important to address and resolve and some which are not.

Is China and India still regarded by the WHO as developing countries or are they still so poor that their space programs , there military build up etc and potential invasion of Taiwan using the military ala Hong Kong are excluded from the equation while the real victims of their regime namely the 1 billion whose income is under the threshold while the world bodies give them a free pass and let them industrialise and increase the Co2 at levels never seen before as countries like Australia deindustrialise as a result.

The whole thing is being driven by selfishness and greed. I mean seriously, who needs 5 tv's or a brand new mobile phone every year?

 

[west didsblue]

The whole thing is being driven by selfishness and greed. I mean seriously, who needs 5 tv's or a brand new mobile phone every year?

It's good that people buy new TVs. The TV I bought a few months ago uses 80% less electricity than the one it replaces, and I suspect the same applies across the board for most new products.

 

[stonerblue]

I wonder why this bloke Iman's spiel has WEF decals but the views expressed are not those of the WEF?

None of us unless we are Walt Disney (LOL) will be around to see the impact of the warming of the climate or otherwise in the centuries to come but as I have said before I suspect unless the Suns inevitable explosion is accelerated somewhat , man will be around in larger numbers than now solving the issues of the day some which are important to address and resolve and some which are not.

Is China and India still regarded by the WHO as developing countries or are they still so poor that their space programs , there military build up etc and potential invasion of Taiwan using the military ala Hong Kong are excluded from the equation while the real victims of their regime namely the 1 billion whose income is under the threshold while the world bodies give them a free pass and let them industrialise and increase the Co2 at levels never seen before as countries like Australia deindustrialise as a result.

China is world's leading renewable energy producer. https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-02464-5

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

It's good that people buy new TVs. The TV I bought a few months ago uses 80% less electricity than the one it replaces, and I suspect the same applies across the board for most new products.

Does it actually replace your old TV though, or have you just moved the old one to the bedroom/dining room/kitchen? I'm not having a dig; just pointing out that this is often the case. Also, a lot of folk get upgradeitus where they simply have to buy the latest tech even though their 'old' stuff is still perfectly functional (a guy I used to work with as a perfect example - always had to have the latest Apple tech). We bought our previous TV in 2008 and we only replaced it last month because the screen was on its way out.

I agree on the energy efficiency of new products, but in terms of energy use over life cycle costs it probably comparable to keeping a slightly older TV for longer if you factor in the energy costs of manufacturing a new TV.

I think we'll get there at some point, but there will definitely have to be a step change in human behaviour.

 

[west didsblue]

Does it actually replace your old TV though, or have you just moved the old one to the bedroom/dining room/kitchen? I'm not having a dig; just pointing out that this is often the case. Also, a lot of folk get upgradeitus where they simply have to buy the latest tech even though their 'old' stuff is still perfectly functional (a guy I used to work with as a perfect example - always had to have the latest Apple tech). We bought our previous TV in 2008 and we only replaced it last month because the screen was on its way out.

I agree on the energy efficiency of new products, but in terms of energy use over life cycle costs it probably comparable to keeping a slightly older TV for longer if you factor in the energy costs of manufacturing a new TV.

I think we'll get there at some point, but there will definitely have to be a step change in human behaviour.

My old TV was 12 years old and I've moved it to another room. It's only used occasionally now.

 

[mancity1]

The whole thing is being driven by selfishness and greed. I mean seriously, who needs 5 tv's or a brand new mobile phone every year?

unfortunately I have to agree with you again TMT and by that I mean the elites catering to the masses to make them richer and the poor eventually poorer in a number of ways not just financially for the sake of it because it can be achieved.

it goes way beyond my best friend in class Johnny having the latest so I have to follow suit.

In my day perhaps yours we were content with some plastic horses and a few model cars and planes and the one version of the thunderbirds which covered us until we discovered the opposite sex or the same sex naturally.

I saw an 8 year old with at least 4 devices getting bored with each one after 60 seconds while his parents ate dinner with i phones in their midst more interested in surfing and texting than eating the meals they left half eaten.

in my day it was conversation and ensuring as John Lennon once said they are starving in China so finish we you are given.

the McDonalds generation is alive an well and we need a wake up call from time to time.

Many individuals have been intentionally selfish during this pandemic and given officials both elected and not a leave pass to punish the majority who do the right thing and climate warming can be seen in a similar light in some of its aspects.

I get sick of those politicians who move into the private business world who switch their views on things like coal production because they are catering to a different narrative and group that feathers their nest.

We had a bloke called Malcolm Turnbull who led the Liberal Party for three years before they chucked him out only because if he was still in charge at the 2019 election they would have lost the election to the Labour Party who was pro coal while in office ( 65 per cent of our electricity is on average still generated by coal fired power stations ) and now despite his many millions and 30 million dollar mansion overlooking the Sydney Harbour is as anti coal as one can be because he makes more money spouting renewables these days.

he dishes out on the party that stupidly allowed him to lad the party twice after knifing the elected leader in the back at every opportunity because he cannot accept the fact he was a poor politician and an even poorer prime minister and lost the support of the vast majority of his own party because he was selfish and greedy amongst other character flaws he will never rid himself on including sociopathy.

he epitomises the greed and selfishness you allude to TMT and sadly he has far too many mates.

 

[mancity1]

China is world's leading renewable energy producer. https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-02464-5

They have over 200 coal fired power stations in tow with more to come as they wish to under Ping who will be in power till his O levels give out because they with a decent slice of that coal coming from Australia.

if anybody thinks China are serious about Climate Change under the Communist regime they are kidding themselves.

Anything to increase world domination including the political landscape is what they want.

IF not for the USA they would have invaded Taiwan by now.

The world bodies have given them a leave pass and these new stations have a least a 50 year life span until they will be decommissioned.

unfortunately its the cheapest most effective way to bring electricity to the masses along with infra structure built from coking coal to bring them out of poverty Stoner.

Why they only have 50 nuclear reactors or thereabouts is beyond me but we in Australia have only one for medical research which is absurd.

the biggest failure in public policy in this country was to avoid the debate on nuclear when it was put on the table back in 1972.

We had no plan to replace coal fire power stations without using natural gas to generate electricity given our abundance of reserves for hundreds if not thousands of more years with clean energy that restricts Co2 emissions enticed with China's thirst for our coal of both varieties.

We still don't and we only need half the nuclear reactors that China currently has that can fit into a small house to power the nation and then some.

We have to change the law in this country before we can even begin the task of building another reactor if you believe that.

Of course some of that coal is burned to make the solar panels we import from China.

We are currently exported record amounts of both thermal and coking coal to countries like China and India and will be for many years to come.

It currently accounts for around 60 per cent of their electricity output and is on the increase Stoner.

 

[mancity1]

It's good that people buy new TVs. The TV I bought a few months ago uses 80% less electricity than the one it replaces, and I suspect the same applies across the board for most new products.

Some of your views on right wingers aside westy which don't help the debate above some cheap jibes you do make a lot of sense on a number of occasions.

its clear you are doing you bit to reduce your carbon footprint which is both noble and good for the environment.

 

[metalblue]

They have over 200 coal fired power stations in tow with more to come as they wish to under Ping who will be in power till his O levels give out because they with a decent slice of that coal coming from Australia.

if anybody thinks China are serious about Climate Change under the Communist regime they are kidding themselves.

Anything to increase world domination including the political landscape is what they want.

IF not for the USA they would have invaded Taiwan by now.

The world bodies have given them a leave pass and these new stations have a least a 50 year life span until they will be decommissioned.

unfortunately its the cheapest most effective way to bring electricity to the masses along with infra structure built from coking coal to bring them out of poverty Stoner.

Why they only have 50 nuclear reactors or thereabouts is beyond me but we in Australia have only one for medical research which is absurd.

the biggest failure in public policy in this country was to avoid the debate on nuclear when it was put on the table back in 1972.

We had no plan to replace coal fire power stations without using natural gas to generate electricity given our abundance of reserves for hundreds if not thousands of more years with clean energy that restricts Co2 emissions enticed with China's thirst for our coal of both varieties.

We still don't and we only need half the nuclear reactors that China currently has that can fit into a small house to power the nation and then some.

We have to change the law in this country before we can even begin the task of building another reactor if you believe that.

Of course some of that coal is burned to make the solar panels we import from China.

We are currently exported record amounts of both thermal and coking coal to countries like China and India and will be for many years to come.

It currently accounts for around 60 per cent of their electricity output and is on the increase Stoner.

Traceability was something that was starting to get traction pre-COVID in the commodity space. The idea being that the end product had to declare all inputs into the final product - the upshot being only ethically sourced and produced product ought to make it into the supply chain - reputation is king. Initially things would be fairly obvious (use of child Labour, corrupt regimes, war torn) but the objective was to really understand where the product was coming from. So if the aluminium in your new car is coming from a coal fired refinery in India you would know about it and could make an ethically informed purchase decision.

The onus would be on the end product producer to know where all the component parts came from and of course China is a bit of a misnomer when it comes to transparency but the idea is there. It needs to happen because the only way the likes of China and India will change behaviour is if their consumers force them to.

 

[mancity1]

Traceability was something that was starting to get traction pre-COVID in the commodity space. The idea being that the end product had to declare all inputs into the final product - the upshot being only ethically sourced and produced product ought to make it into the supply chain - reputation is king. Initially things would be fairly obvious (use of child Labour, corrupt regimes, war torn) but the objective was to really understand where the product was coming from. So if the aluminium in your new car is coming from a coal fired refinery in India you would know about it and could make an ethically informed purchase decision.

The onus would be on the end product producer to know where all the component parts came from and of course China is a bit of a misnomer when it comes to transparency but the idea is there. It needs to happen because the only way the likes of China and India will change behaviour is if their consumers force them to.

Agreed but easier said than done.

China's state owned media spout that the virus for example was imported into their Country by the US Military shortly after the US administration suggested they had detail it may have been leaked from the Wuhan Lab into the community and more investigation by independent authorities were needed.

they have a different set of morals and bribery and influence in education and politics and cyberbullying is commonplace to achieve their ends.

Those on their shores who level criticism or want open free debate on issues that conflict with the state are taken care of including the media.

Do you seriously believe the figures on Covid they have reported to date to the Hopkins Uni?

then they spouted it was imported into the Country from frozen food that was transported from Australia when our Prime Minister suggested we need to uncover where the virus began and placed massive tariffs on our beef , wine , seafood , barley and the list goes on in breach of the WTO agreements with them without consultation and like the estate agent who gets caught out on a lie or a blatant breach of our underquoting laws either hang up the phone so to speak or refuse to answer the call when they know who is on the line.

Getting their nationals to sling a brown paper bag to an agent over hear for example when many an agent particular those of Chinese origin will take the bribe to obtain a property a complete breach of the Agent Act is now commonplace here in Australia and you might think it has little to do with your well constructed post but its all about influence and I kid you not this regime has all the hallmarks of Mao and Hitler attached to it but they are not using bombs and guns not yet anyway outside Hong Kong and the Indian border.