Club Badge (merged)

[mancityvstoke]

around the time of The Muffin man probably

 

[Shaelumstash]

An old one, showing Manchester in Lancashire. Red Rose county. House of Lancaster. Henry Tudor and all that.

"Greater Manchester" may be correct but it's all very clinical, modern and doesn't have the same romanticism.

So my original question "In what way is Manchester still in Lancashire" your answer is that it used to be and Lancashire is more romantic than Greater Manchester?

It's your view and your entitled to it, but it's a rather strange answer to my question.

 

[west didsblue]

There are better examples than this. If we have to take the date that the club as a company was founded then - aside from that it sets a dangerous precedent for encouraging the viewing of football as a business first and a sport second - Arsenal were founded in 1910, Spurs in 1983, Chelsea in 1990, Liverpool in 1997 and Leicester City in 2002. I'm sure if I'd looked up the whole PL I would've found examples registered in the last two years but I stopped after about seven attempts because virtually every example I looked up was proving my point.

I love Gary's work but I can't side with him on this one. A football club is defined by its core, not by its corporate registration. We existed as a club before 1894, it's just that the directors chose to re-register the club. Aside from the strict legal registration which involved a name change, nothing really changed. The same players played, the same stadium hosted, the same fans attended. The fact that there were all of these press clippings from the time is just testament to the desire of the directors to spin the story as a new club in order to shake the lingering debt issues but it doesn't change the fact that the club as a core entity remained the same. I agree with Gary that we can't conclusively prove that the club started operating in 1880 but given the lack of better alternatives, and the fact that 1894 is a transitional year, not a formative one, I think we should respect it as the closest we can come to understanding our birth year.

I think you've looked up the dates of holding companies or PLCs rather than the original football clubs in some cases. For example Tottenham was registered in 1898 and Liverpool was registered in 1892. Otherwise I agree with your point.

 

[urban genie]

So my original question "In what way is Manchester still in Lancashire" your answer is that it used to be and Lancashire is more romantic than Greater Manchester?

It's your view and your entitled to it, but it's a rather strange answer to my question.

Manchester Is in Greater Manchester Metropolital county, Greater Manchester is in the historic cournties of Cheshire below the mersey and Lancashire above it, in fact bar whythenshawe anyone I know from sale, Alty, etc consider themselves from Cheshire. But the City of Manchester is in the lancastrian part of greater Manchester nothing will change that fact and that many from north and east Manchester still consider themselves Lancastrian and saying they ain't repeatedly won't change 800 years of history over 40 yrs as an admin choice by some civil servant in westminster to redraw boundries

 

[west didsblue]

So my original question "In what way is Manchester still in Lancashire" your answer is that it used to be and Lancashire is more romantic than Greater Manchester?

It's your view and your entitled to it, but it's a rather strange answer to my question.

The County Palatine of Lancaster covers the old boundaries of Lancashire and is still extant. The symbol is a red rose so although Manchester isn't in Lancashire anymore it's still part of the County Palatine (I think).

 

[Shaelumstash]

its not been greater manchester for very long at all though, you can't just ignore hundreds of years of history. the rose if anything is more relevant to manchester and its history then the ship. what happens if the boundaries change again and manchester ends up in another region.... do we then forget about greater manchester ?. its on the coa, lots of buildings around manchester and is an important symbol of our past, just like the ship.you can't just forget about it because the council changed it.

I don't mind the rose on the badge mate. I grew up with it, and it means more to me than the eagle ever did.

The rivers and ship don't represent Greater Manchester. They represent the city of Manchester. The name of our club is the giveaway for me, we represent the city of Manchester. Not the county, and certainly not the county it used to be in.

Personally I think anyone who considers that Manchester is still essentially in Lancashire are naive and ignorant to the power and incredible work that Greater Manchester city council have done in transforming the city region beyond all recognition.

The way the airport is thriving, the complete regeneration of the city centre, the rapid expansion of the Metrolink, and most poignantly of all, the whole SportCity / Etihad complex only exists because of how ambitious and capable the city council are. The CFA, the whole regeneration of East Manchester, the partnership with ADUG, the huge multibillion pound housing scheme near to the stadium, the devolution of power to have an autonomous city region and the centre and flagship of the Northern Powerhouse (if this ever truly gains traction) all of these things are only possible because the city works with the other metropolitan councils as a Greater Manchester city region. None of these things would have been possible if Manchester was still a mill town in Lancashire.

Being in Lancashire might be "romantic" to some. Not me. Nothing agsinst Lancastrians and people from North Manchester who seem to be more attached to Lancashire, but to me Lancashire is now a complete irrelevance to Manchester as a city, and has been for a couple of decades.

 

[urban genie]

The County Palatine of Lancaster covers the old boundaries of Lancashire and is still extant. The symbol is a red rose so although Manchester isn't in Lancashire anymore it's still part of the County Palatine (I think).

It stil does and the area below covers it and all areas celebrate Lancashire Day on 27th November

Official quotes from the Dutchy of Lancashire

"Both Furness & Cartmel lie within the County Palatine."
Duchy of Lancaster - 4th September 1992

"We confirm that although the changes brought about by the 1972, and indeed, subsequent legislation, have altered the administrative boundaries of the County (of Lancashire) for the purposes of local government, they have not affected the boundaries of the Palatinate."
Duchy of Lancaster - 29th August 1996

"The river Mersey forms the southern boundary of the Palatinate..."
Duchy of Lancaster - 2nd January 1997

There has been no changes since the last quote on Lancashires status

I understand that some parts of south manchester and stockport have no affinity with Lancashire, but I think it was more to do with the old badge why the rose is so popular, even though I am happy on both the lancastrian and city aspect I can see why some would rather it not be on.

 

[SWP's back]

So my original question "In what way is Manchester still in Lancashire" your answer is that it used to be and Lancashire is more romantic than Greater Manchester?

It's your view and your entitled to it, but it's a rather strange answer to my question.

It's literally all I have.

 

[SWP's back]

It stil does and the area below covers it and all areas celebrate Lancashire Day on 27th November

Official quotes from the Dutchy of Lancashire

"Both Furness & Cartmel lie within the County Palatine."
Duchy of Lancaster - 4th September 1992

"We confirm that although the changes brought about by the 1972, and indeed, subsequent legislation, have altered the administrative boundaries of the County (of Lancashire) for the purposes of local government, they have not affected the boundaries of the Palatinate."
Duchy of Lancaster - 29th August 1996

"The river Mersey forms the southern boundary of the Palatinate..."
Duchy of Lancaster - 2nd January 1997

There has been no changes since the last quote on Lancashires status

I understand that some parts of south manchester and stockport have no affinity with Lancashire, but I think it was more to do with the old badge why the rose is so popular, even though I am happy on both the lancastrian and city aspect I can see why some would rather it not be on.

Ignore my previous post.

I have this as well ^^

 

[Machiavelli]

I grew up with the rose so I'm more than happy with it's addition from a historical viewpoint. I will be thankful to see the eagle and stars monstrosity go once and for all.