I don't really get involved in the tit for tat in here. That's between you City fans :)
I just wanted to provide some stats to help the conversation
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Cole Palmer
- Thread starter Mr-Mertle
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I don't really get involved in the tit for tat in here. That's between you City fans :)
I just wanted to provide some stats to help the conversation
Hasn't scored many from open play against defensive sides.He has the PL record gorvonsrcutive penalties scored.
Beat Yaya's record last weekend.
Not sure of Haalands record overall
And Phil Foden during his earlier years at City? If you had earlier Cole Palmer at your club he would have been sold.
I don't know. I didn't look Foden's stats up. Chelsea would have most likely sold Palmer if he had been a Cobham product. I wouldn't disagree with that.
Are you a Chelsea fan? Or a you a blue on the wind up?I don't really get involved in the tit for tat in here. That's between you City fans :)
I just wanted to provide some stats to help the conversation
A much better record than Palmer. If Palmer had performed anything like he had a City at Chelsea he would have been sold.I don't know. I didn't look Foden's stats up. Chelsea would have most likely sold Palmer if he had been a Cobham product. I wouldn't disagree with that.
Middedon
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This seems like an incredibly fair and rational assessment of the situation. Best I’ve seen.It works for Palmer at Chelsea precisely because his circumstances are very different to what they'd be at City.
He's a lad who thrives off having attacking freedom and very little in the way of defensive responsibility, which is exactly what Chelsea give him. Their midfield is comprised of two DMs (either Enzo and Lavia, or Enzo and Caicedo) who do all the running and protecting and fetching so that Palmer can concentrate on what's in front of him.
If Palmer's at City playing as an attacking CM, he's got to have the engine to run and run and run even when he doesn't have the ball. At Chelsea he can take breaks and fade out of games for stretches whenever Chelsea aren't in possession, because Maresca knows they need Palmer at his sharpest when he's receiving the ball high up.
He's basically Chelsea's Haaland, just playing deeper. He's the lad they accommodate for. Our midfielders and wingers press like fuck and do all the running because Haaland's at his best when he's been out of the game for a bit and is sharp when the ball drops to him 15-20 yards from goal. He can't do all the chasing and shouldn't.
As I've said before, I think Palmer is being a bit overrated (by the media and by City fans) because the narrative that we've finally, as a club, "made a mistake" by selling him is an effective story to sell. He does vanish in bigger games, he does tire out a bit easily if he doesn't take 15 mins to duck out of the action and hide a bit.
I think he also benefits from teams not parking the bus much against Chelsea. He's got lots more space to play in than he would were he still at City. There was a table posted on here that teams sit, on average, 10-15 yards deeper against City than they do against Chelsea. It all adds up to what we're seeing from Palmer at the moment.
But at the same time he's a very talented young lad thriving in a team that's built for him, and more power to him. He knew his destiny lay elsewhere, he knew he deserved better playtime, and he knew City were never going to build the team around him like he wanted. He made a smart move and Chelsea's gamble has paid off.
At the same time, that doesn't mean City made a mistake either. We got £45m slapped on the table in front of us for a lad who'd started 13 senior games and looked like he couldn't stay fit. We didn't have the gift of hindsight and there's no way of knowing what Palmer would have achieved with us had he stayed.
For what it's worth, I don't think he's going to become a top, top, top player in a top, top, top team. I just don't think he has the stamina to go for 80-90 minutes as often as you need to become a genuine all-time great. I don't think he'll reach De Bruyne's levels or be as decorated as Foden will be when they both retire in 12 to 15 years.
I think his legacy will be more like Ozil's than De Bruyne's, if that makes sense?
But he'll probably still win a handful of trophies with Chelsea, I'm sure. Maybe even a Premier League title if it continues going well under Maresca. And fair play to him. It was the best move for all parties. City to just have to make sure we miss him as little as possible with better recruitment in future transfer windows.
A much better record than Palmer. If Palmer had performed anything like he had a City at Chelsea he would have been sold.
I don't get what your point is though? Chelsea sell academy products all the time, even the good ones. Palmer most likely would have been sold to Palace or Brighton, had he come through at Chelsea.
If he had shown any glimpses of his Chelsea form at City he would still be here. Penalties are definietely skewing his stats.It works for Palmer at Chelsea precisely because his circumstances are very different to what they'd be at City.
He's a lad who thrives off having attacking freedom and very little in the way of defensive responsibility, which is exactly what Chelsea give him. Their midfield is comprised of two DMs (either Enzo and Lavia, or Enzo and Caicedo) who do all the running and protecting and fetching so that Palmer can concentrate on what's in front of him.
If Palmer's at City playing as an attacking CM, he's got to have the engine to run and run and run even when he doesn't have the ball. At Chelsea he can take breaks and fade out of games for stretches whenever Chelsea aren't in possession, because Maresca knows they need Palmer at his sharpest when he's receiving the ball high up.
He's basically Chelsea's Haaland, just playing deeper. He's the lad they accommodate for. Our midfielders and wingers press like fuck and do all the running because Haaland's at his best when he's been out of the game for a bit and is sharp when the ball drops to him 15-20 yards from goal. He can't do all the chasing and shouldn't.
As I've said before, I think Palmer is being a bit overrated (by the media and by City fans) because the narrative that we've finally, as a club, "made a mistake" by selling him is an effective story to sell. He does vanish in bigger games, he does tire out a bit easily if he doesn't take 15 mins to duck out of the action and hide a bit.
I think he also benefits from teams not parking the bus much against Chelsea. He's got lots more space to play in than he would were he still at City. There was a table posted on here that teams sit, on average, 10-15 yards deeper against City than they do against Chelsea. It all adds up to what we're seeing from Palmer at the moment.
But at the same time he's a very talented young lad thriving in a team that's built for him, and more power to him. He knew his destiny lay elsewhere, he knew he deserved better playtime, and he knew City were never going to build the team around him like he wanted. He made a smart move and Chelsea's gamble has paid off.
At the same time, that doesn't mean City made a mistake either. We got £45m slapped on the table in front of us for a lad who'd started 13 senior games and looked like he couldn't stay fit. We didn't have the gift of hindsight and there's no way of knowing what Palmer would have achieved with us had he stayed.
For what it's worth, I don't think he's going to become a top, top, top player in a top, top, top team. I just don't think he has the stamina to go for 80-90 minutes as often as you need to become a genuine all-time great. I don't think he'll reach De Bruyne's levels or be as decorated as Foden will be when they both retire in 12 to 15 years.
I think his legacy will be more like Ozil's than De Bruyne's, if that makes sense?
But he'll probably still win a handful of trophies with Chelsea, I'm sure. Maybe even a Premier League title if it continues going well under Maresca. And fair play to him. It was the best move for all parties. City to just have to make sure we miss him as little as possible with better recruitment in future transfer windows.
He hadn't shown any of his current form at City in the Premier League. All his goals were in the domestic cups and closing a win in a Champions League game vs Club Brugge. He did score one vs Sevilla in the European Super Cup and Arsenal in the Charity Shield before he left.I don't get what your point is though? Chelsea sell academy products all the time, even the good ones. Palmer most likely would have been sold to Palace or Brighton, had he come through at Chelsea.
As I've said before, I think Palmer is being a bit overrated (by the media and by City fans) because the narrative that we've finally, as a club, "made a mistake" by selling him is an effective story to sell. He does vanish in bigger games, he does tire out a bit easily if he doesn't take 15 mins to duck out of the action and hide a bit.
This is a really good post to be honest. I only disagreed with this bit. Last season, he played brilliantly vs City both home and away. He was brilliant vs United. He was brilliant vs Arsenal. He was decent to okay-ish vs Tottenham. His only poor games came vs Liverpool. This season he's been a bit quiet in the big games, especially vs City and Liverpool. It can happen, Saka was dead quiet vs us, and he got subbed off at HT vs City, but no-one holds that against him.