Colin Pitchfork
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Mr Kobayashi
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Yes. There's a proven link between people who have been through the care system and increased criminal behaviour and greater likelihood of going to prison as a juvenile and as an adult. And the cycle continues.
People develop drugs addictions because of emotional issues and go to prison, or they go to prison and develop drug addictions and mental health issues and then come out reoffend and go to prison.
There will always be a link between people who have been through the care system and an increased risk of prison, and for a myriad of reasons. I don't believe what I am arguing is a miracle cure or a silver bullet but there are living breathing examples of something that works better than what we have, in other European countries.
How Norway turns criminals into good neighbours
Twenty years ago, Norway started focusing on rehabilitating prisoners, and sharply cut reoffending rates.
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And it isn't something altruistic either, by reducing all the shit that comes with crime and prison we would improve our own lives too, because we would be less likely to be victims of crime
I'm not sure what you're arguing here, we are on the same page here I believe.
We all can agree that crime is not acceptable in our society. There is no need for it. We have benefits for the unemployed, and the unemployable.
So what do we do about the minority that choose to rob, burgle, rape, murder, or con?
We fucking make an example of them and make it clear that we wont accept their actions.
We might choose to educate them, but these days education is free. It's online of you care to look.
I'd love a government that increases sentences for any crime, we deserve to live and work in a safe environment. Fuck the do gooders, fuck the human rights wankers.
We all can agree that crime is not acceptable in our society. There is no need for it. We have benefits for the unemployed, and the unemployable.
So what do we do about the minority that choose to rob, burgle, rape, murder, or con?
We fucking make an example of them and make it clear that we wont accept their actions.
We might choose to educate them, but these days education is free. It's online of you care to look.
I'd love a government that increases sentences for any crime, we deserve to live and work in a safe environment. Fuck the do gooders, fuck the human rights wankers.
Saxmundham Blue
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Rehabilitation is a good thing but some people are beyond rehabilitation, Colin Pitchfork is one of them.
His crimes weren't spur of the moment - he raped and killed two girls years apart.
If the system worked properly, he should be in jail for the rest of his life.
Unfortunately, the system is broken.
His crimes weren't spur of the moment - he raped and killed two girls years apart.
If the system worked properly, he should be in jail for the rest of his life.
Unfortunately, the system is broken.
Mr Kobayashi
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Benefits are a subsistence lifestyle, if you were unemployable and had to live off £300 a month why wouldn't you be tempted by selling drugs or shoplifting and handling stolen goods?
There was an example in that video, how much do people get put in the pocket on release from prison and how much do people get on benefits and how much is a bag of heroin or crack cocaine?
People with addictions will inevitably commit crime to feed that habit. Watch the Rory Stewart video I posted earlier for an explanation.
Except what you want doesn't work for rehabilitation, the longer someone is in prison the more institutionalised they become. The harder it is for them to return to a life outside.
Education online might be free, but what if you are illiterate and have a learning disability? These are common traits of people in prison.
We are not on the same page, your last paragraph demonstrates that perfectly. Longer and longer prison sentences are not the answer, they are blood letting. And overcrowded prisons are counterproductive to any rehabilitation work carried, less time given to each individual. More stress and confrontation and more violence.
The myth behind long prison sentences
Does spending ‘100 years’ behind bars actually help deter crime? BBC Future explores the impact of long prison sentences, and looks at how Norway is taking an opposite approach.
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The prisons minister admitted this year that longer prison sentences are ineffective.
Longer jail terms don't cut crime, minister admits amid crime bill backlash
The London Economic - The Good Law Project said the controversial new bill was an attempt to "silence dissent" - Politics
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If you're condoning shorter prison sentences then I'm afraid I believe you're wrong.Benefits are a subsistence lifestyle, if you were unemployable and had to live off £300 a month why wouldn't you be tempted by selling drugs or shoplifting and handling stolen goods?
There was an example in that video, how much do people get put in the pocket on release from prison and how much do people get on benefits and how much is a bag of heroin or crack cocaine?
People with addictions will inevitably commit crime to feed that habit. Watch the Rory Stewart video I posted earlier for an explanation.
Except what you want doesn't work for rehabilitation, the longer someone is in prison the more institutionalised they become. The harder it is for them to return to a life outside.
Education online might be free, but what if you are illiterate and have a learning disability? These are common traits of people in prison.
We are not on the same page, your last paragraph demonstrates that perfectly. Longer and longer prison sentences are not the answer, they are blood letting. And overcrowded prisons are counterproductive to any rehabilitation work carried, less time given to each individual. More stress and confrontation and more violence.
The myth behind long prison sentences
Does spending ‘100 years’ behind bars actually help deter crime? BBC Future explores the impact of long prison sentences, and looks at how Norway is taking an opposite approach.
The prisons minister admitted this year that longer prison sentences are ineffective.
Longer jail terms don't cut crime, minister admits amid crime bill backlash
The London Economic - The Good Law Project said the controversial new bill was an attempt to "silence dissent" - Politics
Prison should be a detterant.
Short sentences do nothing to deter our criminals. In fact they encourage crime.
I accept some of your points, but the real world says lock up the criminals, and make sure we make it clear they won't be tolerated in a peaceful society.
Maybe then, can we begin to start the process of education, and forgiveness which we all strive for.
Giving them a licence to commit crime with little or no consequence solves nothing.
Mr Kobayashi
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Yes but is only a deterrent if you think you are going to get caught. The prisons minister admitted that this was more important than the length of sentence.
Persistent offenders don't think they are going to get caught, and when they do they don't believe they will get harsh sentences. They suffer from similar warped thinking patterns as problem gamblers. And they don't value their time in life as much as non-criminals, why would you when you don't have much to lose?
The problem with your line of thinking is that is not effective as it could be. Do you believe that our prison system is better than Norway or Finlands? Is it better than Germany?
Lock them up, lock them up for longer, and don't invest in improving programs of education that could be better delivered in open prisons. It's only going to make the problem worse.
This interview says it all about sexually deviant psychopath's like Pitchfork, they should never be released. Somebody needs to tell the parole board, or better still ensure when they're sentenced they don't appear before a parole board, they stay locked up
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'Colin Pitchfork has no conscience... he will always be a threat'
Just months before his 1981 wedding, 21-year-old Colin Pitchfork (pictured after his release) was arrested for exposing himself to young girls. It was not the first time he had been caught flashing.
You're probably right mate, but it does seem awfully counter intuitive to dish out shorter sentences, especially to a layman like me. I suspect a lot of the public would agree.
I can't agree with your gambling analogy either, gambling is a terrible addiction, crime isn't. I know you weren't comparing the actual acts, just the thought process, but even so...
I haven't got the answers bud, but I do know this. The world would be a better place if the likes of this scumbag never saw the light of day again.
Two Gun Bob
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How can a criminal justice system with even the remotest sniff of intellect deem a molester and murderer of little girls to be eligible for parole. Life to mean life and if not then debate is surely needed for the return of the measured drop to ensure the safety of the populace.
Regarding crime in general and the lax treatment of criminality that infests every pore of our society. I would like to see heavier sentencing focusing more squarely on protecting the law abiding rather than worrying about the rehabilitation off persistent offenders. And no time off for good behaviour which should be replaced with more time added on for bad behaviour. Build the prisons and they will come!
Regarding crime in general and the lax treatment of criminality that infests every pore of our society. I would like to see heavier sentencing focusing more squarely on protecting the law abiding rather than worrying about the rehabilitation off persistent offenders. And no time off for good behaviour which should be replaced with more time added on for bad behaviour. Build the prisons and they will come!