Colin Pitchfork

bluealf said:
Brilliant, obviously you don't know any career scrotes though, the ones you read about in the papers with 400 convictions, maybe somebody should take them all to that shop.
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I’m not saying all petty thieves can be rehabilitated, some probably can’t, just thought I’d contradict your sweeping and therefore wrong statement. It’s good to know that with the right input, support and opportunities that some people can improve their lives don’t you think?
 
On average murderers in the UK serve 16.5 years. This **** served double that so it's hardly being soft releasing him now. Whether it's the right thing to do, I have no idea, but I hope that the people making the decision are suitably qualified and he is no longer a risk to society. I suspect he'll have an "accident" in the near future anyway.
 
journolud said:
I’m not saying all petty thieves can be rehabilitated, some probably can’t, just thought I’d contradict your sweeping and therefore wrong statement. It’s good to know that with the right input, support and opportunities that some people can improve their lives don’t you think?
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No problem, my comment was a throwaway line towards the rehabilitation liberals, anybody would usually have taken it as intended but if we are wanting to be so particular I am sure there must have been some nonce/rapist/murderer somewhere that got rehabilitated as well.

I have already read about the Timpson Foundation at some point in the past, it is very commendable but 10% of their workforce is hardly putting a dent in my 'sweeping' statement anyways.
 
west didsblue said:
On average murderers in the UK serve 16.5 years. This **** served double that so it's hardly being soft releasing him now. Whether it's the right thing to do, I have no idea, but I hope that the people making the decision are suitably qualified and he is no longer a risk to society. I suspect he'll have an "accident" in the near future anyway.
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The problem I have with 'on average murderers in the UK serve 16.5 years' is that when they abolished the death penalty one of the selling points was that life would mean life.

Pitchfork has done double that and there are some that actually get life so that means that on average there are plenty that serve much less than that - for murder, how can that happen?
 
Dealt with a lifer once. He had killed his wife in the mid/late 70s and got 30 years.
He was quite a pitiful person really, and at that time his probation officer watched him like a hawk. Was quite a submissive bloke really and it was obvious his "stretch" had changed him. He went on to marry again (to a woman 30 years his junior) and they had 2 children last time I checked. He also got a job with our help.
Another fucker a few years earlier was a different story altogether.
Gave "bad vibes" everytime he came in. Was in a probation hostel with a view to rehabilitation. He got a job, with the help of probation, and then promptly kidnapped a colleague of his, who was much younger and very effin scared!!!! Colleague escaped after 3 days, it hit the local press and "bad vibes" fucker was whisked back inside.

Think what I'm trying to say is that there are a lot of dangerous people both inside and outside!
 
bluealf said:
No problem, my comment was a throwaway line towards the rehabilitation liberals, anybody would usually have taken it as intended but if we are wanting to be so particular I am sure there must have been some nonce/rapist/murderer somewhere that got rehabilitated as well.

I have already read about the Timpson Foundation at some point in the past, it is very commendable but 10% of their workforce is hardly putting a dent in my 'sweeping' statement anyways.
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There you go with another sweeping statement, I guess I’m not just anybody. Throwaway lines are great, we can disown them when they don’t stand up to scrutiny and pretend we didn’t mean it.
There have certainly been murderers who have been rehabilitated, I’m not so sure about rapists or erm, nonces.

10% of Timpon’s workforce isn’t an insignificant number and I doubt they have cornered the market in offering second chances to criminals, the figures are irrelevant though, the principle exists and your sweeping statement was wrong.

To be fair the more serious the crime the more complex issues of rehabilitation and sentencing gets. I struggle to see a way back for child murderers and I believe, but am no expert, that reformation of sexually motivated transgressors is difficult
 
journolud said:
There you go with another sweeping statement, I guess I’m not just anybody. Throwaway lines are great, we can disown them when they don’t stand up to scrutiny and pretend we didn’t mean it.
There have certainly been murderers who have been rehabilitated, I’m not so sure about rapists or erm, nonces.

10% of Timpon’s workforce isn’t an insignificant number and I doubt they have cornered the market in offering second chances to criminals, the figures are irrelevant though, the principle exists and your sweeping statement was wrong.

To be fair the more serious the crime the more complex issues of rehabilitation and sentencing gets. I struggle to see a way back for child murderers and I believe, but am no expert, that reformation of sexually motivated transgressors is difficult
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and let's face it this was what 99% of my post was about but yeah petty career criminal thieves have got you hot under the collar, let's add drug dealing skanks to that list as well, 'RARELY' rehabilitated criminals, as it is all they have known and it is how they make their living, in and out of jail is a by-product of life for them.

Scrutiny? lol

Get over it.
 
kippaxoldboy said:
I always believe the system for being a member of parole boards is a joke. We allow people from all walks of life to be members of a jury, to convict people like Pitchfork..... yet when it comes to parole boards you have to have a criminology degree and have worked within the criminal justice system???
Given the chance I would have a jury type board of say 6 members of the public and one member of the family of the victim(s)
I know this would never happen though. Sadly, our justice system is often made up of, and backed up by do gooders and weaklings.
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Yeah these weaklings with their things like knowing what they are talking about and taking the time to learn about things. Better off having some double hard bastards making spur of the moment decisions on everything.

By the way, I wouldn't release this Pitchfork bloke personally. Does that qualify me as a hard bastard?
 
I would like to see some sort of culpability enshrined in law for those making the decision to release "former"dangerous criminals out earlier than their handed sentence. I think it might just change the decision in a few cases.
 
Summerbuzz said:
You can say it's soft, but.... 35 years is hardly a short stretch for a 22 year old. More than two mandatory 'life' sentences (18 years) put together.

And he'll have a lot of restrictions placed on him. Mobile phones and internet, where he goes, people he associates with.

I'm interested to find out if people want him locked up for protection, or punishment?
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Both , he raped and murdered kids , they are highly manipulative people who can fool to get parole , none should be given , imagine a woman with kids getting into a relationship and he has kids under his roof ..
 
i can understnad the death penalty being scraped because of the wrong person being hung. but with modern technology and DNA and good crime science your not getting away with it . so if your found guilty of murder then it should really be a hard punishment. then given a good time in prison like 5 to 10 years just to make it 100% correct
then a court can look at the case for a death penalty and dare i say by a lethal injection

the only thing stopping the death penalty is manslaughter to accidental killing ? its a fine line and can be wrong
so how do you prove premeditated murder from manslaughter to self defence ? i would hate to be on a jury having to send somebody to their death in a case like that ? sicko's like rape and murder or child killers why on earth do will feel free to keep them alive and even let them back out ? DNA was the best invention for that tape of cases and should be used and not feared in getting the wrong person
 
If you mercilessly rape and kill two children then it should either be death by the measured drop or life to mean life.
How can a psychopath deriving pleasure from the rape and murder of young children ever be deemed fit for release.

I'd wager those poor victims would give anything for one more chance to breath air so why should Pitchfork. Let him rot.
 
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Owdman said:
The problem I have with 'on average murderers in the UK serve 16.5 years' is that when they abolished the death penalty one of the selling points was that life would mean life.

Pitchfork has done double that and there are some that actually get life so that means that on average there are plenty that serve much less than that - for murder, how can that happen?
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Misconception, life often meant 10 to 15 years before events like the moors murders caught newspaper and public attention and the pressure to increase sentences grew.
 
kaz7 said:
Both , he raped and murdered kids , they are highly manipulative people who can fool to get parole , none should be given , imagine a woman with kids getting into a relationship and he has kids under his roof ..
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the world is crazy ? he should have been put to sleep long ago. now he is free to breath and walk and see and hear and feel ? what about the victims families the pain will forever be etched into their hearts. ask them is it right for him to be free and live
 
ancoats said:
sorry but i truly believe they are wrong and its why people kill
so punishment of 28 years for rape and killing 2 young girls is sending out the right message ?

sorry bud but go and have a talk to the parents of the 2 young girls. he not only killed their daughters but killed them inside as well
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I'm not getting in to a discussion about the death penalty, that's not a reflection on your opinion, but it's a topic I steer clear of. I only posted the link to show you that there are other things other than miscarriages of justice and manslaughter when considering capital punishment.
 
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