Complacency again

[BillyShears]

I'd say the club as a whole had grown complacent, and that was the assessment of many observers who referenced our transfers during the Summer (Rodwell and Garcia).

The only person who was complacent was Mancini, and as such his removal was the only thing required to turn us back into a championship winning team.

In terms of "observers" - yeah you definitely sound like them. Ogden, Hayward, and the like would be proud of your contributions in this thread.

 

[Latics Fan SJK]

Some people do love a right good flap don't they?

And not the moist, pink kind, either.

 

[Danielmanc]

By the time we had played the Derby we were 6 points behind them on 33 points. We'd played 16 games won 9, drawn 6 and lost 1. In the Champions League we'd lost to Dortmund, Ajax and Real Madrid, and we were out of the League Cup having been beaten at home by a poor Villa team.

The season ended with us sacking the manager, so without a doubt that season was regarded as one of under-achievement

Selective rubbish but at least you've promised to fuck off and stop posting in the thread.

So we're clear, 6 points behind the rags in December AFTER we'd played the derby means we were 3 points behind them prior to it.

The season ENDED in May, not in December. You have consistently complained about our slow/poor start in the 12/13 campaign. This has been proven to be factually incorrect nonsense. Yet rather than apologise you obfuscate the truth behind empty rhetoric "The season ended with us sacking the manager". The manager was sacked because he'd lost the entire dressing room. The underachievement in truth came post the derby. It began if at all due to the manager at the time's public criticism of his players during the CL group stages.

This thread is wrong. You're wrong in the assertions made in your OP. The fact you've let this run for this long is as I have said repeatedly, a fucking embarrassment. Grow some balls.

We were effectively out of Europe before we played the Maine Rd Derby, and we were out of the League Cup, and out of 15 League games we had drawn 6 and were 3 points behind a Utd team that had themselves lost 3 games. We were most definitely struggling by the high standards of the previous season. I'd say the club as a whole had grown complacent, and that was the assessment of many observers who referenced our transfers during the Summer (Rodwell and Garcia).

Marvin, you promised to stop !

 

[M18CTID]

Meltdown Marvin ;)

 

[Pablo ZZZ Peroni]

By the time we had played the Derby we were 6 points behind them on 33 points. We'd played 16 games won 9, drawn 6 and lost 1. In the Champions League we'd lost to Dortmund, Ajax and Real Madrid, and we were out of the League Cup having been beaten at home by a poor Villa team.

The season ended with us sacking the manager, so without a doubt that season was regarded as one of under-achievement

Selective rubbish but at least you've promised to fuck off and stop posting in the thread.

So we're clear, 6 points behind the rags in December AFTER we'd played the derby means we were 3 points behind them prior to it.

The season ENDED in May, not in December. You have consistently complained about our slow/poor start in the 12/13 campaign. This has been proven to be factually incorrect nonsense. Yet rather than apologise you obfuscate the truth behind empty rhetoric "The season ended with us sacking the manager". The manager was sacked because he'd lost the entire dressing room. The underachievement in truth came post the derby. It began if at all due to the manager at the time's public criticism of his players during the CL group stages.

This thread is wrong. You're wrong in the assertions made in your OP. The fact you've let this run for this long is as I have said repeatedly, a fucking embarrassment. Grow some balls.

We were effectively out of Europe before we played the Maine Rd Derby, and we were out of the League Cup, and out of 15 League games we had drawn 6 and were 3 points behind a Utd team that had themselves lost 3 games. We were most definitely struggling by the high standards of the previous season. I'd say the club as a whole had grown complacent, and that was the assessment of many observers who referenced our transfers during the Summer (Rodwell and Garcia).

I think you are getting a little confused. We weren't playing at Maine Rd :)

That aside, if we had beaten United in our 16th league game of the season we would have gone top. How can that be considered as complacency?

 

[cibaman]

I thought the problem in 12/13 wasn't a lack of desire to retain the title, just too much belief that it would all come right in the end. Whenever we dropped points the vibes from the players and the manager seemed to be that we would eventually click, hit a purple patch and leave United trailing in our wake. Then we had the disastrous run against QPR, Liverpool and Southampton and the season was over.

There seems to be a belief that the first half of the season isn't too important, its the run in that counts. That's worked 3 seasons out of the last 4 but there's always the risk of repeating 12/13.

 

[Blue&whitestripes]

You didn't look too hard.

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It's in there, you're missing out though.

Yeah your probably right... Come on Marvin WUM some more.

Think the op had a fair point:

I.e. Pissed off that we didn't really take the game seriously (weakened team was understandable) but the players who started didn't really look up for it. If I had forked out for travel and tickets I'd probably be slightly miffed with them as well!

I agree with you. Did I expect to see our best XI? No, no way. Did I expect to see a bit of a scratch team? Yes. But watching the team you support not so much lose a hard-fought match as get soundly beaten hurts. The first half was painful to watch. The second not so much, we had a bit more spark and more fight but it was, with that team, too late by then. I think the most we could have hoped for was a late consolation goal, but we didn't even get that.

Even if, logically, you know it's a glorified friendly , and you know you're playing with a scratch team - it's still fscking unpleasant to watch a half-arsed attempt. And with a couple of exceptions (Silva & Jovetic in particular) and a couple of moments here and there, that's what it was. It especially hurts when you've forked out for tickets and the travel to Wembley. We turned up to support them, the least they could have done was look like they were making an effort. Otherwise we could all have stayed at home and saved a lot of money and hassle.

It's not the losing, it's the manner of it - and the fact that Pellers didn't seemed to care one way or another, that needles.

And NONE of the above means I am being a doom and gloom merchant about our prospects this season!

 

[ell]

I think we are looking at little bit too closely to pre season results. Same again on Sunday afternoon and we might have something worth discussing!

 

[dobobobo]

The only fair points Marvin has made in the last 24 hours are the full stops he uses.

Post of the thread!

 

[dobobobo]

Having seen 2012/13 season, and countless other title-winners in football and other sports fall back after winning, I think it's worth looking out for the player's attitude. It wasn't right in the opening half at Wembley regardless of who was missing. In fact I'd expect a team to work even harder to make up for the absence of key players.

I know in 2012/13 Mancini carried the can for de-motivating the players. That's opinion. Some hold it to be fact. But it's just a hypothesis. As I remember that season started with a fortunate home win against Southampton, and we never convinced from the first League game.

The best response in this topic was that season opened with City playing well to beat Chelsea in the Community Shield at Villa Park

I can't argue with that, but I still believe that we can't take for granted that the mentality of the players will remain as strong this season. That's been taken as a criticism of the players, but I think it's just a recognition of human nature.

There's a challenge there to win the title back to back. Let's see if we can be one of the few teams to do this, then we really will go down as having one of the best teams in the history of English football.