Complaint to BBC regarding Pete the Badge

Been waiting for the reply to my follow-up so I chased it up earlier this week, only to recieve exactly the same one PB got a few weeks ago with an extra apologising for the delay and not being able to respond as quickly as would have liked.
So now on to Stage 2 and a complaint to Editorial Complaints Unit requesting an independent investigation I will also ask to see all the evidence that they examine and if thats refused then I file a Fredom of Information request
 
Just got my second stage reply. Have escalated and sent them a disgusted of Manchester letter! Toss pots have made a bad situation worse with their lies and excuses.
 
Just got my second stage reply. Have escalated and sent them a disgusted of Manchester letter! Toss pots have made a bad situation worse with their lies and excuses.
Dear Sir

I would like to take the unusual step of escalating my complaint to you - simply because I am not only unhappy with the responses I have received to date but more so because of the attitude displayed to my complaints / concerns. This is a very serious matter and to date you do not seem to be taking it seriously or appear to understand quite how inappropriate your comments are.

Firstly, you seem to think you have caused offence to me. When you need to grasp the fact that your inappropriate actions were extremely crass and caused widespread offence to many. It is not me - as you imply - that has the issue but your complete lack of editorial standards that is the issue here. Your comments are offensive - it is not me taking offence. Think about it - there is a difference.
Secondly, your feeble attempt to say that you were wholly unaware that the term 'Bertie' was a derogatory one was an insult to my intelligence. You yourselves have run a relatively recent article on the term 'Bertie' - and to try to suggest that the term Bertie was plucked at random as opposed to another thousand names is laughable and serves up a significant injustice. This whole scenario suggests to me that you are not taking this matter seriously and that you are 'fobbing' off complainants. Sorry but this won't go away until you deal with it and root out the cause and make sure that this does not happen again.
Thirdly, your assertion that you had purchased the image from a third party - complete with comments - was a lie. (I have no way of knowing whether you knew that to be a lie when you conveyed it but I seriously hope you investigate this because it has serious implications for your broader organisation and your editorial (and moral) standards You purchased the image but it has now been proven beyond doubt that the derogatory comments were added by a BBC employee. Who was that employee? Have they accepted that they acted inappropriately? Who manages the said employee and are they going to manage the employee to ensure that there are no further transgressions of this nature.
Fourthly, there seems to be an attitude at the BBC in respect of social media that anything and anyone is 'fair game'. As a public broadcaster- you don't need me to remind you that you are there to report news and not to make derogatory and spiteful comments towards people with learning difficulties- someone who is minding his own business, supporting his team and wholly undeserving of the vitriol which unquestionably came from a Manchester United supporter in your employee.
Your moral compass is clearly distorted, you would appear to have lost all sense of decency and when challenged - both me and other complainants have been treated to a catalogue of excuses, half truths and outright lies. I'd like to say I expected better but the recent editorial standards on the BBC website - are little better than the 'red tops' and you seem fixated by 'click bate' so sadly I expect more of the same from a national broadcaster who used to instil a sense of pride but more latterly has become a national embarrassment. I am appalled that you can't even admit to getting things so very wrong and deal with the matter openly and honestly. You have made a bad situation worse with your excuses and lies.
Hang your heads in shame.

Yours
 
Dear Sir

I would like to take the unusual step of escalating my complaint to you - simply because I am not only unhappy with the responses I have received to date but more so because of the attitude displayed to my complaints / concerns. This is a very serious matter and to date you do not seem to be taking it seriously or appear to understand quite how inappropriate your comments are.

Firstly, you seem to think you have caused offence to me. When you need to grasp the fact that your inappropriate actions were extremely crass and caused widespread offence to many. It is not me - as you imply - that has the issue but your complete lack of editorial standards that is the issue here. Your comments are offensive - it is not me taking offence. Think about it - there is a difference.
Secondly, your feeble attempt to say that you were wholly unaware that the term 'Bertie' was a derogatory one was an insult to my intelligence. You yourselves have run a relatively recent article on the term 'Bertie' - and to try to suggest that the term Bertie was plucked at random as opposed to another thousand names is laughable and serves up a significant injustice. This whole scenario suggests to me that you are not taking this matter seriously and that you are 'fobbing' off complainants. Sorry but this won't go away until you deal with it and root out the cause and make sure that this does not happen again.
Thirdly, your assertion that you had purchased the image from a third party - complete with comments - was a lie. (I have no way of knowing whether you knew that to be a lie when you conveyed it but I seriously hope you investigate this because it has serious implications for your broader organisation and your editorial (and moral) standards You purchased the image but it has now been proven beyond doubt that the derogatory comments were added by a BBC employee. Who was that employee? Have they accepted that they acted inappropriately? Who manages the said employee and are they going to manage the employee to ensure that there are no further transgressions of this nature.
Fourthly, there seems to be an attitude at the BBC in respect of social media that anything and anyone is 'fair game'. As a public broadcaster- you don't need me to remind you that you are there to report news and not to make derogatory and spiteful comments towards people with learning difficulties- someone who is minding his own business, supporting his team and wholly undeserving of the vitriol which unquestionably came from a Manchester United supporter in your employee.
Your moral compass is clearly distorted, you would appear to have lost all sense of decency and when challenged - both me and other complainants have been treated to a catalogue of excuses, half truths and outright lies. I'd like to say I expected better but the recent editorial standards on the BBC website - are little better than the 'red tops' and you seem fixated by 'click bate' so sadly I expect more of the same from a national broadcaster who used to instil a sense of pride but more latterly has become a national embarrassment. I am appalled that you can't even admit to getting things so very wrong and deal with the matter openly and honestly. You have made a bad situation worse with your excuses and lies.
Hang your heads in shame.

Yours
Excellent mate.
 
Dear Sir

I would like to take the unusual step of escalating my complaint to you - simply because I am not only unhappy with the responses I have received to date but more so because of the attitude displayed to my complaints / concerns. This is a very serious matter and to date you do not seem to be taking it seriously or appear to understand quite how inappropriate your comments are.

Firstly, you seem to think you have caused offence to me. When you need to grasp the fact that your inappropriate actions were extremely crass and caused widespread offence to many. It is not me - as you imply - that has the issue but your complete lack of editorial standards that is the issue here. Your comments are offensive - it is not me taking offence. Think about it - there is a difference.
Secondly, your feeble attempt to say that you were wholly unaware that the term 'Bertie' was a derogatory one was an insult to my intelligence. You yourselves have run a relatively recent article on the term 'Bertie' - and to try to suggest that the term Bertie was plucked at random as opposed to another thousand names is laughable and serves up a significant injustice. This whole scenario suggests to me that you are not taking this matter seriously and that you are 'fobbing' off complainants. Sorry but this won't go away until you deal with it and root out the cause and make sure that this does not happen again.
Thirdly, your assertion that you had purchased the image from a third party - complete with comments - was a lie. (I have no way of knowing whether you knew that to be a lie when you conveyed it but I seriously hope you investigate this because it has serious implications for your broader organisation and your editorial (and moral) standards You purchased the image but it has now been proven beyond doubt that the derogatory comments were added by a BBC employee. Who was that employee? Have they accepted that they acted inappropriately? Who manages the said employee and are they going to manage the employee to ensure that there are no further transgressions of this nature.
Fourthly, there seems to be an attitude at the BBC in respect of social media that anything and anyone is 'fair game'. As a public broadcaster- you don't need me to remind you that you are there to report news and not to make derogatory and spiteful comments towards people with learning difficulties- someone who is minding his own business, supporting his team and wholly undeserving of the vitriol which unquestionably came from a Manchester United supporter in your employee.
Your moral compass is clearly distorted, you would appear to have lost all sense of decency and when challenged - both me and other complainants have been treated to a catalogue of excuses, half truths and outright lies. I'd like to say I expected better but the recent editorial standards on the BBC website - are little better than the 'red tops' and you seem fixated by 'click bate' so sadly I expect more of the same from a national broadcaster who used to instil a sense of pride but more latterly has become a national embarrassment. I am appalled that you can't even admit to getting things so very wrong and deal with the matter openly and honestly. You have made a bad situation worse with your excuses and lies.
Hang your heads in shame.

Yours
Bravo
 
Dear Sir

I would like to take the unusual step of escalating my complaint to you - simply because I am not only unhappy with the responses I have received to date but more so because of the attitude displayed to my complaints / concerns. This is a very serious matter and to date you do not seem to be taking it seriously or appear to understand quite how inappropriate your comments are.

Firstly, you seem to think you have caused offence to me. When you need to grasp the fact that your inappropriate actions were extremely crass and caused widespread offence to many. It is not me - as you imply - that has the issue but your complete lack of editorial standards that is the issue here. Your comments are offensive - it is not me taking offence. Think about it - there is a difference.
Secondly, your feeble attempt to say that you were wholly unaware that the term 'Bertie' was a derogatory one was an insult to my intelligence. You yourselves have run a relatively recent article on the term 'Bertie' - and to try to suggest that the term Bertie was plucked at random as opposed to another thousand names is laughable and serves up a significant injustice. This whole scenario suggests to me that you are not taking this matter seriously and that you are 'fobbing' off complainants. Sorry but this won't go away until you deal with it and root out the cause and make sure that this does not happen again.
Thirdly, your assertion that you had purchased the image from a third party - complete with comments - was a lie. (I have no way of knowing whether you knew that to be a lie when you conveyed it but I seriously hope you investigate this because it has serious implications for your broader organisation and your editorial (and moral) standards You purchased the image but it has now been proven beyond doubt that the derogatory comments were added by a BBC employee. Who was that employee? Have they accepted that they acted inappropriately? Who manages the said employee and are they going to manage the employee to ensure that there are no further transgressions of this nature.
Fourthly, there seems to be an attitude at the BBC in respect of social media that anything and anyone is 'fair game'. As a public broadcaster- you don't need me to remind you that you are there to report news and not to make derogatory and spiteful comments towards people with learning difficulties- someone who is minding his own business, supporting his team and wholly undeserving of the vitriol which unquestionably came from a Manchester United supporter in your employee.
Your moral compass is clearly distorted, you would appear to have lost all sense of decency and when challenged - both me and other complainants have been treated to a catalogue of excuses, half truths and outright lies. I'd like to say I expected better but the recent editorial standards on the BBC website - are little better than the 'red tops' and you seem fixated by 'click bate' so sadly I expect more of the same from a national broadcaster who used to instil a sense of pride but more latterly has become a national embarrassment. I am appalled that you can't even admit to getting things so very wrong and deal with the matter openly and honestly. You have made a bad situation worse with your excuses and lies.
Hang your heads in shame.

Yours

Brilliant
 
Dear Sir

I would like to take the unusual step of escalating my complaint to you - simply because I am not only unhappy with the responses I have received to date but more so because of the attitude displayed to my complaints / concerns. This is a very serious matter and to date you do not seem to be taking it seriously or appear to understand quite how inappropriate your comments are.

Firstly, you seem to think you have caused offence to me. When you need to grasp the fact that your inappropriate actions were extremely crass and caused widespread offence to many. It is not me - as you imply - that has the issue but your complete lack of editorial standards that is the issue here. Your comments are offensive - it is not me taking offence. Think about it - there is a difference.
Secondly, your feeble attempt to say that you were wholly unaware that the term 'Bertie' was a derogatory one was an insult to my intelligence. You yourselves have run a relatively recent article on the term 'Bertie' - and to try to suggest that the term Bertie was plucked at random as opposed to another thousand names is laughable and serves up a significant injustice. This whole scenario suggests to me that you are not taking this matter seriously and that you are 'fobbing' off complainants. Sorry but this won't go away until you deal with it and root out the cause and make sure that this does not happen again.
Thirdly, your assertion that you had purchased the image from a third party - complete with comments - was a lie. (I have no way of knowing whether you knew that to be a lie when you conveyed it but I seriously hope you investigate this because it has serious implications for your broader organisation and your editorial (and moral) standards You purchased the image but it has now been proven beyond doubt that the derogatory comments were added by a BBC employee. Who was that employee? Have they accepted that they acted inappropriately? Who manages the said employee and are they going to manage the employee to ensure that there are no further transgressions of this nature.
Fourthly, there seems to be an attitude at the BBC in respect of social media that anything and anyone is 'fair game'. As a public broadcaster- you don't need me to remind you that you are there to report news and not to make derogatory and spiteful comments towards people with learning difficulties- someone who is minding his own business, supporting his team and wholly undeserving of the vitriol which unquestionably came from a Manchester United supporter in your employee.
Your moral compass is clearly distorted, you would appear to have lost all sense of decency and when challenged - both me and other complainants have been treated to a catalogue of excuses, half truths and outright lies. I'd like to say I expected better but the recent editorial standards on the BBC website - are little better than the 'red tops' and you seem fixated by 'click bate' so sadly I expect more of the same from a national broadcaster who used to instil a sense of pride but more latterly has become a national embarrassment. I am appalled that you can't even admit to getting things so very wrong and deal with the matter openly and honestly. You have made a bad situation worse with your excuses and lies.
Hang your heads in shame.

Yours
Great response mate!
 
1200+ posts re: adult football supporters offended by football banter !
I feel quite embarrassed by it all as a city fan if i'm honest
Bertie is hardly degrading and or offensive, what next are we going to call a truce and not use the term rags anymore in case it offends fellow football fans ?
Remember the "welcome to Manchester" banner that was clearly a dig at the rags, sorry, Manchester United we lapped that one up it's all in the name of the game.
 
1200+ posts re: adult football supporters offended by football banter !
I feel quite embarrassed by it all as a city fan if i'm honest
Bertie is hardly degrading and or offensive, what next are we going to call a truce and not use the term rags anymore in case it offends fellow football fans ?
Remember the "welcome to Manchester" banner that was clearly a dig at the rags, sorry, Manchester United we lapped that one up it's all in the name of the game.
I wasn't aware that the rags were made to pay for the banner, or that the BBC called them rags, thanks for clearing that up.
 
1200+ posts re: adult football supporters offended by football banter !
I feel quite embarrassed by it all as a city fan if i'm honest
Bertie is hardly degrading and or offensive, what next are we going to call a truce and not use the term rags anymore in case it offends fellow football fans ?
Remember the "welcome to Manchester" banner that was clearly a dig at the rags, sorry, Manchester United we lapped that one up it's all in the name of the game.

Personally I'm not one to get too worked up about insults, real or perceived, from any quarters of the media. This is however a little different. Firstly it held an innocent football fan up to ridicule without either his permission, knowing his circumstances or whether it would cause him personal distress in the future, which is now entirely possible. Secondly, this isn't an article that appeared in a rival clubs fanzine or forum. If it had, they would have have got dogs abuse back in bucketfuls and rightly so, but no one would have seen it as anything other than banter, albeit still uncalled for and still inappropriate. It's an article that was generated and approved by our national broadcaster, the BBC, an impartial body whose remit is to report factually without bias and who, supposedly, set the standards that others in the media should try and aspire to. They have clearly failed on all counts and, to their further discredit, have sought to use generic, computer generated banal responses in an effort to avoid having to give a truthful response to people's complaints. I've nothing but admiration for those that have taken on the BBC on this issue and hope that all City fans keep an eye out for Pete, particularly at away games, because I'd hate to see him getting abused as a result of the BBC's 'harmless banter'.
 
1200+ posts re: adult football supporters offended by football banter !
I feel quite embarrassed by it all as a city fan if i'm honest
Bertie is hardly degrading and or offensive, what next are we going to call a truce and not use the term rags anymore in case it offends fellow football fans ?
Remember the "welcome to Manchester" banner that was clearly a dig at the rags, sorry, Manchester United we lapped that one up it's all in the name of the game.
You really need to.up you're game if you get embarrassed by a fee letters and complaints

Did you you used to hide behind the sofa when 'Points of View' was aired?
Do you flee past the newsagents in case the Times letter page should accidently open in front of you?
The only thing embarrassing is you continually popping in here to say its embarrassing, although I'm not embarrassed by your posts, just quizzical.
 
1200+ posts re: adult football supporters offended by football banter !
I feel quite embarrassed by it all as a city fan if i'm honest
Bertie is hardly degrading and or offensive, what next are we going to call a truce and not use the term rags anymore in case it offends fellow football fans ?
Remember the "welcome to Manchester" banner that was clearly a dig at the rags, sorry, Manchester United we lapped that one up it's all in the name of the game.

Totally missed the point and completely misunderstood the whole point of this thread!
Bertie isn't a term that offends me in the slightest, and United fans using it on forums or in conversation is fine by me, in the same way I will always call them Rags.
However this is not a fan forum - this is a publicly funded national organisation, that should be impartial... ask yourself - would it publish a similar photo of a United fan with the word "Rag" in the caption? Would they fuck... and to make it worse they outright lie about it afterwards!
So, yeah we did take the piss with the "Welcome to Manchester" banner... but that was us -NOT the BBC!
The fact you can't grasp that is embarrassing to be hones!
 
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1200+ posts re: adult football supporters offended by football banter !
I feel quite embarrassed by it all as a city fan if i'm honest
Bertie is hardly degrading and or offensive, what next are we going to call a truce and not use the term rags anymore in case it offends fellow football fans ?
Remember the "welcome to Manchester" banner that was clearly a dig at the rags, sorry, Manchester United we lapped that one up it's all in the name of the game.
I am not arsed about the term Bertie it could be used all day on me and i wouldnt bat an eyelid.But the bbc clearly used it on one individual purely to take the piss.we should be expecting better standards from such an organastion.it was not banter or a bit of leg pulling it was made to embarass and take the piss out of an elderly City fan
 
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I am not arsed about the term Bertie it could be used all day on me and i wouldnt bat an eyelid.But the bbc clearly used it on one individual purely to take the piss.we should be expecting better standards from such an organastion.it was not banter or a bit of leg pulling it was made to embarass and take the piss out of an elderly City fan
Spot-on, and what's worse is one who can't fight back or respond in kind, unfortunately for the rag Pete has friends who can and will and if that embarrasses bluebc then that's just unfortunate
 

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