brooklandsblue said:NQT said:It's a success where it is, but at what financial cost and to the benefit of what percentage of Greater Manchester?
Why spend millions upon millions upon millions putting trams on roads, stations, platforms and all the disruption that went with it, when greener buses would have been a far better and much more cost effective option?
Also what happens if a tram breaks down? The line grinds to a halt because trams can't go round each other.
It's cheap, clean and efficiant.
Maybe so, but why should it fall to the car driver to pay for your subsidised travel?brooklandsblue said:NQT said:Well in that case it's far too cheap and the prices should rise.
Perhaps they could means test the traveller and see how much they can afford to pay.
How ridiculous. I feel that the cost is spot on. Surely the idea of public transport is to provide a cheap viable alternative to the car?
I would have assumed anyone living within a council that falls under the congestion charge scheme would get a vote. My concern is they will make it one vote one household. There are three drivers in our household, all of whom will be affected and all of whom should get a vote.denislawsbackheel said:So who actually gets to vote? Just what is the boundary of Greater Manchester?
Matty said:I would have assumed anyone living within a council that falls under the congestion charge scheme would get a vote. My concern is they will make it one vote one household. There are three drivers in our household, all of whom will be affected and all of whom should get a vote.denislawsbackheel said:So who actually gets to vote? Just what is the boundary of Greater Manchester?
I suppose they'll claim GMPTE cover transport links to those places and the referendum isn't on "The congestion charge" it's actually on "The proposed transport link improvements". That's why the actual charge hasn't been included in the question, so they can drag in out lying areas who have no reason but to vote yes as they'll never be heading into Manchester in rush hour, but will benefit from any potential public transport improvements. It's yet another cynical attempt to manipulate a yes vote outcome.Corky said:Matty said:I would have assumed anyone living within a council that falls under the congestion charge scheme would get a vote. My concern is they will make it one vote one household. There are three drivers in our household, all of whom will be affected and all of whom should get a vote.denislawsbackheel said:So who actually gets to vote? Just what is the boundary of Greater Manchester?
Wigan, Bolton and Rochdale who are nothing to do with it.
brooklandsblue said:[
I pay £68 a month to travel to my executive post in Manchester from Brooklands. .
Goater666 said:This might not affect you trig but wont the new tram extension to the Trafford centre help?
Which side of Trafford Park do you work on mate?
stonerblue said:brooklandsblue said:[
I pay £68 a month to travel to my executive post in Manchester from Brooklands. .
surely it would be easiers and cheaper to move your post to Brooklands. Maybe even your back yard?
Corky said:Matty said:I would have assumed anyone living within a council that falls under the congestion charge scheme would get a vote. My concern is they will make it one vote one household. There are three drivers in our household, all of whom will be affected and all of whom should get a vote.denislawsbackheel said:So who actually gets to vote? Just what is the boundary of Greater Manchester?
Wigan, Bolton and Rochdale who are nothing to do with it.
Gaudino said:Really? Is that why we got literature on how we will get to vote.....in Rochdale.
Fair point, a wonderful public transport system is great and would be a huge bonus for the city, Europe have wonderful public transport in there city's, the only trouble is Europe city's are not infested with the same amount of scummy dregs of sociaty like we have in Britain. Europeans dont tend to get arsholed and cause trouble in public like our countrymen do. The day I have to give up personal space and have to sit next to nutters and smelly people is the day I will move from Manchester. If the council did get there way, I wonder what course of action would be built into the paperwork which would allow us to fuck the charge off when the investment doesnt arrive. I personaly would recommend everyone getting out there car and using public transport for a month, it wouldnt cope with the presure, the council dont actually want a decent transport system, they want us to stay in our cars and pay, so the likes of Lees can get more money off us to spend in gay bars!!!brooklandsblue said:LOL-my comments are just, NOBODY should be subjected to the problems I listed on the metrolink and I think 90% of people would agree with me! The 'executive post' was a joke and if you want scum pissing up your walls and robbing your hard earned property then more fool you.
I am more Boswell than Hayacinth, believe me.
brooklandsblue said:Gaudino said:Really? Is that why we got literature on how we will get to vote.....in Rochdale.
How did they even open the envelopes with 7 fingers?
Gaudino said:brooklandsblue said:Gaudino said:Really? Is that why we got literature on how we will get to vote.....in Rochdale.
How did they even open the envelopes with 7 fingers?
Even though I am not from Dale, but live here, will treat that remark with contempt it deserves you prick.
You are a real 'I'm alright Jack' aren't you? As long as YOU can avoid using a car for work, that makes the charge ok for the rest?
It simply isn't practical for everyone. My circumstances mean I will have to cross the boundary during rush hour. But, would have to get up at about 4am, walk two miles, to get a bus or train, assuming they arrive, or are even running at that time, then get a further bus out of town. Lovely in the winter.
My sis, for instance, would have to leave her house in Chadderton at a similar time, walk to a bus stop, then into town, and out again to Bupa Hosp in Whalley Range. Really safe for a woman to be doing in these days. (Especially after the recent experience I posted about on Sunday's bus)
And I am certain nearly everyone else voting 'NO!' will have similar tales of how its simply not reasonably practical to use public transport for work.
But hey, as long as you can make your journey via public transport with ease, sod everyone else uh?