congestion charge NO campaign

i wish they'd extend the zone to Radcliffe. It's just taken me 1/2hr to drive 700 metres and that just the school run traffic.
Between 5.30 and 6.30 most of the town is in gridlock, polluting the air and doing far more harm to kids with asthma than second hand fag smoke ever could when outside.

A big fat YES
 
NQT said:
Goater666 said:
NQT said:
The Metrolink is another massive balls up that's costing an absolute fortune.
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Excuse me? massive balls up? 20 million passengers a year?
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It's a success where it is, but at what financial cost and to the benefit of what percentage of Greater Manchester?
Why spend millions upon millions upon millions putting trams on roads, stations, platforms and all the disruption that went with it, when greener buses would have been a far better and much more cost effective option?
Also what happens if a tram breaks down? The line grinds to a halt because trams can't go round each other.
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It's cheap, clean and efficiant.
 
Trams/ trains = waste of time.

What should be put in-place is wider roads with dedicated bus lanes.

NOT changing 2 lane roads to 1 lane for buses and another for cars (ala Manchester road).

Fucking stupid bastards.

Also - If anyone knows Park Road leading from Oldham to Ashton-Under-Lyne, on the dodgy bend near Holts estate there is the nastiest set of road humps in the world. I hope whoever decided to put that there is dead. Seriously.
 
stonerblue said:
i wish they'd extend the zone to Radcliffe. It's just taken me 1/2hr to drive 700 metres and that just the school run traffic.
Between 5.30 and 6.30 most of the town is in gridlock, polluting the air and doing far more harm to kids with asthma than second hand fag smoke ever could when outside.

A big fat YES
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leave your car other side of school and walk easy lol next
 
NQT said:
brooklandsblue said:
It's cheap, clean and efficiant.
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Cheap for what, didn't central government withdraw funding as it was far too expensive?
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I pay £68 a month to travel to my executive post in Manchester from Brooklands. If you weighed up what I would pay in petrol/upkeep and parking in my car it would be three times that.
 
brooklandsblue said:
NQT said:
brooklandsblue said:
It's cheap, clean and efficiant.
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Cheap for what, didn't central government withdraw funding as it was far too expensive?
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I pay £68 a month to travel to my executive post in Manchester from Brooklands. If you weighed up what I would pay in petrol/upkeep and parking in my car it would be three times that.
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Well in that case it's far too cheap and the prices should rise.
Perhaps they could means test the traveller and see how much they can afford to pay.
 
I sent this letter to Sir Howard Bernstein months ago - no reply.

Sir Howard Bernstein,

our Company is based less than a quarter of a mile inside the M60 in Stockport.
All of our 12 workforce live in the Greater Manchester Area, but outside the M60.
Our hours of work are 8.00am - 5.00pm.
Therefore, my staff will incur £3.00 charge per day, £15.00 per week or £735.00 a year.
In total my staff will be paying £8820.00 a year for the privilege of going to work.

This is not including payments my customers & suppliers will be paying to visit
my manufacturing premises.

I find this totally outrageous as we are approximately 5miles from Manchester City Centre.

I understand you may be improving the Public Transport network, but having a work force
with young families as you can understand this is not always a viable solution.

Having personally delivered into London recently, I drove through the congestion charge
zone and noticed that said zone did not cover London's suburbs as you are planning.

I would be interested to know what you think of my comments.
Regards

Paul Jones
 
My problem is with the way that the rings are set out. In London there is 1 zone which covers the centre of London. The system in London works because London has a much more integrated transport system regulated by 1 authority (Transport for London) as opposed to lots of different companies operating under the umbrella of the GMPTE. London also has a much higher useage of public transport historically due to the number of people coming in from the surrounding satellite towns and boroughs (as is the case in Manchester to a lesser extent). The London Congestion zone also has a road running through the middle of it so people going across town as opposed to into town so people are only penalised for genuinely using the congestion area.

Now if there was just 1 zone in the centre of Manchester operating at peak times where it is relatively easy to get to via public transport you would get a much higher proportion of people using public transport to go to work in the city centre without squeezing the life out of the industrial areas within the outer ring.

My main beef with the whole thing is just because I live in Bolton and work in Trafford Park. The Route I take into work will not see any investment as a part of the development for donkeys years and I will be actively subsidising something that I will never use. As it currently stands, for me to get into work for 8am I need to leave my house at 5:30am, mainly because of the time I need to spend waiting around for the next train/ bus. I have never understood why Trafford Park has been so poorly catered for.

Rant over
 
This might not affect you trig but wont the new tram extension to the Trafford centre help?

Which side of Trafford Park do you work on mate?
 
NQT said:
Well in that case it's far too cheap and the prices should rise.
Perhaps they could means test the traveller and see how much they can afford to pay.
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How ridiculous. I feel that the cost is spot on. Surely the idea of public transport is to provide a cheap viable alternative to the car? What you forget is that by saving money I am also opening myself up to some of the delights that go hand in hand with public transport. The feral youth's I share my journey with, hoodies playing 'music' straight from their phones, people with sub par personal hygiene, overweight women’s beer guts rippling against my arms and general over crowding.
 
brooklandsblue said:
NQT said:
Well in that case it's far too cheap and the prices should rise.
Perhaps they could means test the traveller and see how much they can afford to pay.
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How ridiculous. I feel that the cost is spot on. Surely the idea of public transport is to provide a cheap viable alternative to the car? What you forget is that by saving money I am also opening myself up to some of the delights that go hand in hand with public transport. The feral youth's I share my journey with, hoodies playing 'music' straight from their phones, people with sub par personal hygiene, overweight women’s beer guts rippling against my arms and general over crowding.
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You really are a snob, aren't you?
 
BingoBango said:
brooklandsblue said:
NQT said:
Well in that case it's far too cheap and the prices should rise.
Perhaps they could means test the traveller and see how much they can afford to pay.
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How ridiculous. I feel that the cost is spot on. Surely the idea of public transport is to provide a cheap viable alternative to the car? What you forget is that by saving money I am also opening myself up to some of the delights that go hand in hand with public transport. The feral youth's I share my journey with, hoodies playing 'music' straight from their phones, people with sub par personal hygiene, overweight women’s beer guts rippling against my arms and general over crowding.
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You really are a snob, aren't you?
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Far from it, if I was a snob surely I would drive. You have no idae about my background and I would thank you to not jump to assumptions.
 
brooklandsblue said:
Far from it, if I was a snob surely I would drive. You have no idae about my background and I would thank you to not jump to assumptions.
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It's a fairly reasonable assumption given your comments about your fellow passengers, going on about your 'executive post', and your desire to keep 'scum' away from your property in the other thread.

You are Hyacinth Bucket.
 
BingoBango said:
brooklandsblue said:
Far from it, if I was a snob surely I would drive. You have no idae about my background and I would thank you to not jump to assumptions.
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It's a fairly reasonable assumption given your comments about your fellow passengers, going on about your 'executive post', and your desire to keep 'scum' away from your property in the other thread.

You are Hyacinth Bucket.
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LOL-my comments are just, NOBODY should be subjected to the problems I listed on the metrolink and I think 90% of people would agree with me! The 'executive post' was a joke and if you want scum pissing up your walls and robbing your hard earned property then more fool you.

I am more Boswell than Hayacinth, believe me.
 
No to the congestion charge. Im not a snob but no way would I get on the peasant wagon ;)
 
brooklandsblue said:
LOL-my comments are just, NOBODY should be subjected to the problems I listed on the metrolink and I think 90% of people would agree with me! The 'executive post' was a joke and if you want scum pissing up your walls and robbing your hard earned property then more fool you.

I am more Boswell than Hayacinth, believe me.
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Perhaps if the cost of the tickets was increased then that would price the scallies off the trams
 
NQT said:
Perhaps if the cost of the tickets was increased then that would price the scallies off the trams
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They don't pay anyway. As I said if you are working then £68 quid a month is not a huge amount.
 
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