Conspiracies

[twinkletoes]

Matt Damon explains how things are done in Good Will Hunting.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8rQNdBmPek[/youtube]

 

[Drewmanc]

I agree totally with that but as you say power corrupts.

Can you debunk this for me please mate.

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/esp_sociopol_illuminati_14.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/socio ... ati_14.htm</a>

-- Sat Nov 03, 2012 5:34 pm --




Right, got it. I've not seen him about on here though.

Having read that link I think it relates to the fact that the founding fathers of the USA were

-John Adams: not a Freemason but known to admire it
-Ben Franklin: Freemason, readily admitted to the fact
-Alexander Hamilton: never wrote or spoke of freemasonry but was against equality/rights for all
-John Jay: Known Freemason
-Thomas Jefferson: Known Freemason
-James Madison: Known Freemason
-George Washington: Known Freemason

As that shows they were heavily influenced by the masons and obviously the ideals/rituals slipped into their decisions when forming the nation. If these men all held the belief of equality etc then I'm sure it had a good grounding.

The point of the article was the significance of certain numbers to freemasons, not really what you've mentioned is it?

Ok from looking again it could be many things, coincidence etc or the multi cultural acceptance in admittance to the masons, they stipulate that you must believe in a higher being, not neccesarily 'God' but a 'higher being' that pretty much allows everyone to join (obv bar females) be you lucifarian, catholic, budist, Hindu etc and if I researched the importance of numeracy and symbolism in all of those religions and backgrounds I would find a link to them all.

I'm saying it's possibly an amalgamation of hundreds of years of enlightened people deciding on what worked best for them.

Oh and im not a Mason, have been invited but refused.

 

[Drewmanc]

Ok couldn't help it and had a look at the links in numeracy and 11 is commonly known as the number of disciples left after Judas left. 13 is the number which judas joined the last supper, the knights Templar were allegedly finally suppressed on the 13th (Friday the 13th to be precise). 33 is the number of miracles performed by Jesus (supposedly!)

Maybe these were important numbers to the Masons an therefore made its way into their thinking. The rest of that link you put is coincidental bullshit like the stuff i wrote above and about the numeracy of the uk = 33 but United Kingdom = 73+73 = 146. 1+4+6= 11 means you can get to that supposed important number anyway you feel. The above post regarding the positioning of the human brain to link significant facts and ignore the random ones stands true, in my eyes anyway.

 

[Ducado]

Some good articles on this subject if people care to look although I doubt believers in the various "theories" would bother,

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=why-people-believe-in-conspiracies" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.scientificamerican.com/artic ... nspiracies</a>

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-big-questions/201105/belief-in-conspiracy-theories" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the ... y-theories</a>

There is something going on, but I would suggest that it is more a psychological problem for the various believers

Although I am not saying Governments and other bodies do not lie and deceive, they have done so in the past and they will do so again, but that does not mean there are grand plots all over the place.

It's sad to quote your own post but I really think people should be having a read at the two links

 

[SWP's back]

Thanks ducado, good reads.

 

[bluemanc]

Stargates just started on ch5,ycmiu.motwyw.

 

[twinkletoes]

Ok couldn't help it and had a look at the links in numeracy and 11 is commonly known as the number of disciples left after Judas left. 13 is the number which judas joined the last supper, the knights Templar were allegedly finally suppressed on the 13th (Friday the 13th to be precise). 33 is the number of miracles performed by Jesus (supposedly!)

Maybe these were important numbers to the Masons an therefore made its way into their thinking. The rest of that link you put is coincidental bullshit like the stuff i wrote above and about the numeracy of the uk = 33 but United Kingdom = 73+73 = 146. 1+4+6= 11 means you can get to that supposed important number anyway you feel. The above post regarding the positioning of the human brain to link significant facts and ignore the random ones stands true, in my eyes anyway.

Can I ask why you refused to join the masons?

Speaking of numbers have you come across the fibonacci numbers?

 

[ali benarbia's studs]

will you all grow some balls? that`s the women too!

 

[Drewmanc]

I didn't want to join the masons as I felt no need to and that it'd take up too much of my time and I'd rather be with my family than going drinking with loads of guys!

I have come accross the Fibonacci sequence before but only in one of Dan Browns books, having had another quick look at it again it's very interesting, what do you make of the link with 11,13 and 33? And what do you make of the Fibonacci sequence?

 

[Unknown_Genius]

Some good articles on this subject if people care to look although I doubt believers in the various "theories" would bother,

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=why-people-believe-in-conspiracies" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.scientificamerican.com/artic ... nspiracies</a>

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-big-questions/201105/belief-in-conspiracy-theories" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the ... y-theories</a>

There is something going on, but I would suggest that it is more a psychological problem for the various believers

Although I am not saying Governments and other bodies do not lie and deceive, they have done so in the past and they will do so again, but that does not mean there are grand plots all over the place.

It's sad to quote your own post but I really think people should be having a read at the two links

But as former Nixon aide G. Gordon Liddy once told me (and he should know!), the problem with government conspiracies is that bureaucrats are incompetent and people can’t keep their mouths shut. Complex conspiracies are difficult to pull off, and so many people want their quarter hour of fame that even the Men in Black couldn’t squelch the squealers from spilling the beans. So there’s a good chance that the more elaborate a conspiracy theory is, and the more people that would need to be involved, the less likely it is true.

Not entirely true.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-RPWhigpQg[/youtube]

What Edgar Mitchell says at 5:28 is very interesting. He says that the governments have covered up a lot of the information about the UFO phenomenon and that the Roswell crash was real. I'm sure he would have been involved in government circles, and with people in high positions.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBBlDOsNXjA[/youtube]

Someone else who's been involved in government and intelligence circles. What he says in 02:30 is important, that the government and people at the top can keep secrets. He goes into details about the Kennedy assassination, and about pre knowledge of the 6 day war. I do agree generally with the article that things will spill out, but even then, often they're ignored, get little attention in the public domain, or overlooked as being nonsense.

I agree with the other article that disenfranchised people will tend to look at conspiracy theories. I've said before in this thread that they tend to be born out of distrust for the governments and high institutions, but I don't think you can blame people for that. If there wasn't lying and corruption at the top, conspiracy theories would get a lot less attention.