COP26

[mancity1]

I don't know. Check out the second and third ones from two posts above for some serious competition.

I reckon they are some of my better material westy ,maybe even give some of yours a run for their money according to you.

Only talking about some evolution and expanding on Bob's facts but as per usual you want to focus on the trivial and make this your best contribution for the day.

how about you actually make a contribution of note and discuss why you think China and Russia don't wish to attend Cop 26?

 

[BobKowalski]

All correct and things like better warning systems and disaster management are saving lives as well despite an increase in extreme weather events.

We are growing in population from a larger base each year however so the percentages are skewed somewhat in real terms and infrastructure and wage growth have declined in many developed countries in real terms in the past 20 years which also impacts on fertility due to a rise in migration but a fall in per capita GDP.

Compare the average age of death now especially in developed countries to pre industrial revolution days even from the early 1900's to that from when man its forms then first stepped on the planet and was essentially part of the animal kingdom who once having bred was perished.

Science and technology and research have been the main drivers and maybe in the coming century cures for many cancers , neurological diseases and developments in AI will mean lifespans we would never have dreamed of when we were born.

Ironically the very things that have ensured a better quality of life for the billions of people throughout the world are the things the global community with a few exceptions are saying we need to phase out.

Yes, mankind’s progress, even globalisation has improved standards worldwide and will continue to do so. Our response to the threat of Covid has been impressive from a scientific standpoint.

The skewed age profile we see in developed countries will filter to developing countries as we continue to progress. But our current way of life, standards etc are based on consumption and behaviour we now wish to restrict and/or prevent developing countries from following. ‘Don’t cut down your forests! Well, you fucking did!’ etc.

So, it there a better way? Mass transit programs, pedestrianising cities, better and inexpensive rail links, and as its in we the news here, investing in water and sewage treatments for the public good not profit and yes renewable energy and nuclear energy.

Do we have to make some sacrifice? I suspect we do, but a little from everyone goes a long way and assisting developing countries with better infrastructure (railways, public health, energy) would also help. A coordinated world plan as it where.

Except of course the UK has cut the overseas aid budget, done little to assist poorer countries with Covid vaccines and is currently shovelling shit into our seas and rivers, so colour me sceptical on what we will actually do.

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

I reckon they are some of my better material westy ,maybe even give some of yours a run for their money according to you.

Only talking about some evolution and expanding on Bob's facts but as per usual you want to focus on the trivial and make this your best contribution for the day.

how about you actually make a contribution of note and discuss why you think China and Russia don't wish to attend Cop 26?

Are you virtue signalling?

 

[mancity1]

Yes, mankind’s progress, even globalisation has improved standards worldwide and will continue to do so. Our response to the threat of Covid has been impressive from a scientific standpoint.

The skewed age profile we see in developed countries will filter to developing countries as we continue to progress. But our current way of life, standards etc are based on consumption and behaviour we now wish to restrict and/or prevent developing countries from following. ‘Don’t cut down your forests! Well, you fucking did!’ etc.

So, it there a better way? Mass transit programs, pedestrianising cities, better and inexpensive rail links, and as its in we the news here, investing in water and sewage treatments for the public good not profit and yes renewable energy and nuclear energy.

Do we have to make some sacrifice? I suspect we do, but a little from everyone goes a long way and assisting developing countries with better infrastructure (railways, public health, energy) would also help. A coordinated world plan as it where.

Except of course the UK has cut the overseas aid budget, done little to assist poorer countries with Covid vaccines and is currently shovelling shit into our seas and rivers, so colour me sceptical on what we will actually do.

there is more hope than you allude to Bob but again as you allude to we don't react positively as a rule until what we choose to ignore is on our doorstep.

As for Boris and his band of merry men they won't be around to see the better and brighter side of some of man's achievements to come.

The poor decisions they make can be unravelled and the necessary sacrifices made which I totally agree we do as we owe it to future generations who have not been privy to those choices and a better planet for all and not some at the expense of others be achieved.

Dreaming you say maybe but all good things originate in the mind.

 

[mancity1]

Are you virtue signalling?

is that a question you know the answer to before you posted it (LOL).

I want to engage Westy more in the topic as I actually think he can contribute Fode but he seems more intent on a running commentary on mancity1 , not much of it good mind you but while there is life in him there is hope.

What I can reveal is that I let other members of the family and the occasional visitor ( not that many visitors have been allowed because of Dan Andrews to do so often in my absence in recent times as I have other things to do in life than post on this forum despite my age.

believe me I couldn't have posted 11.5k worth in 17 years on my own.

Now I wonder if he can identify the original mancity1.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

Probably my favourite contribution to the climate debate so far...

I planted 4 concrete seeds a few years back and they’re doing pretty well.

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

Probably my favourite contribution to the climate debate so far...

I've watched both feature film versions of Dune in the last week.

The lastest film could have saved a bit of money on the Baron's makeup if they had just employed Mike instead.

 

[west didsblue]

is that a question you know the answer to before you posted it (LOL).

I want to engage Westy more in the topic as I actually think he can contribute Fode but he seems more intent on a running commentary on mancity1 , not much of it good mind you but while there is life in him there is hope.

What I can reveal is that I let other members of the family and the occasional visitor ( not that many visitors have been allowed because of Dan Andrews to do so often in my absence in recent times as I have other things to do in life than post on this forum despite my age.

believe me I couldn't have posted 11.5k worth in 17 years on my own.

Now I wonder if he can identify the original mancity1.

You sound a bit angst ridden today. Cheer up.

 

[MillionMilesAway]

Probably my favourite contribution to the climate debate so far...

Incisive, and informative!
And only about 90% batshitcrazy.

 

[mancity1]

You sound a bit angst ridden today. Cheer up.

That line did it for me westy (LOL).

if we ever meet and have to play on the same team in a game of 500 I just know you won't be able to read the hands of the opponents.

 

[inbetween]

I reckon they are some of my better material westy ,maybe even give some of yours a run for their money according to you.

Only talking about some evolution and expanding on Bob's facts but as per usual you want to focus on the trivial and make this your best contribution for the day.

how about you actually make a contribution of note and discuss why you think China and Russia don't wish to attend Cop 26?

China often gets the blame but that's because China is the fastest growing nation in the world. The primary reason for that though is because we buy everything from them because they make it.

Chinese growth and emissions are therefore actually just a product of Western outsourcing. Name any Western country in the world and I'll bet my house that they import more from China than anywhere else.

There's a lot of arguments to reduce our dependency on oil but there is also an argument to reduce our dependency on China. That doesn't mean an industrial revolution but rather just stop buying crap that you don't need.

 

[shemnel]

Probably my favourite contribution to the climate debate so far...

i dunno who that fat pleb is doing the interviewing, but i am assuming he thinks he's got one over the lad he's interviewing? made himself look like a proper twat in the process. marvellous.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

i dunno who that fat pleb is doing the interviewing, but i am assuming he thinks he's got one over the lad he's interviewing? made himself look like a proper twat in the process. marvellous.

 

[mancity1]

China often gets the blame but that's because China is the fastest growing nation in the world. The primary reason for that though is because we buy everything from them because they make it.

Chinese growth and emissions are therefore actually just a product of Western outsourcing. Name any Western country in the world and I'll bet my house that they import more from China than anywhere else.

There's a lot of arguments to reduce our dependency on oil but there is also an argument to reduce our dependency on China. That doesn't mean an industrial revolution but rather just stop buying crap that you don't need.

Labour costs and consumerism has meant China has decided to embark on a dependence strategy and under their present regime are in a better position to bully those that call out their record on human rights and ever increasing military power.

Whether they wish to demonstrate that power in armed conflict with the US and its allies in the coming years is the big question as they have the discipline and brain power to date to restrict their aggression to cyber war.

A conflict on the Indian border has sent some signals that worse is to come.

I personally doubt they will cut their emissions in the next 30 years certainly not under the present regime and its remnants as they need cheaper reliable energy sources to bring 100's of millions out of poverty.

Currently they are around 30 per cent of global emissions and they will only increase of the next 30 years outdoing any efforts made by the US , Canada even Russia to reduce theirs and we haven't placed Indonesia , India and much of Africa and a fair slice of South America into the equation yet.

the US for example have struggled reducing their emissions by around 8 per cent from 2000 to 2018.

 

[lazerblue]

i dunno who that fat pleb is doing the interviewing, but i am assuming he thinks he's got one over the lad he's interviewing? made himself look like a proper twat in the process. marvellous.

i think he's the dick that used to be ok talkshite with mike parry when he got ripped a new one by a city fan after he claimed that he'd never heard of yaya toure when we signed him

 

[Fred_Quimby]

If anyone thinks that anything will come from COP26 then I am afraid they will probably be disappointed. I really can’t see anything being cobbled together to even remotely getting anything started on global warming. There are too many countries with a vested interest in the status quo. Russia busy feeding us as much gas as it possibly can at the highest price it can, China busy producing as much cheap good as it can so that it can bring it people into the 21st Century and grow its huge armed forces and that is probably the two of the largest producers.

Reduce our dependence on Russian gas and stop buying Chinese crap (that includes Apple stuff).

 

[bluethrunthru]

 

[mancity1]

If anyone thinks that anything will come from COP26 then I am afraid they will probably be disappointed. I really can’t see anything being cobbled together to even remotely getting anything started on global warming. There are too many countries with a vested interest in the status quo. Russia busy feeding us as much gas as it possibly can at the highest price it can, China busy producing as much cheap good as it can so that it can bring it people into the 21st Century and grow its huge armed forces and that is probably the two of the largest producers.

Reduce our dependence on Russian gas and stop buying Chinese crap (that includes Apple stuff).

Fred you raise valid points but China will always find new markets and as they get dirtier and richer many of their trading nations will get cleaner and poorer.

How is this for stupidity , we used to make cars and other goods like white goods from burning fossil fuels and now we ship the raw materials that globalists want to keep in the ground to China to make the panels and turbines to bring back to us when transportation emits over 30 per cent of global commissions which increases the cost of electricity to the end user be it business , remaining manufacturing ( 15 per cent less jobs in this industry from only 10 years ago).

their might be some jobs in Australia in green hydrogen as inefficient and expensive that currently is to produce electricity vis a vis nuclear and fossil fuel even solar and wind is cheaper albeit trillions in Australia's need to be spent on transmission and grid connection if we are to get around 50 per cent of the electricity on current estimates which is about as good as we can hope for in renewable ( Hydro , wind and solar ) most of it needed to be fired by gas power stations a bit cleaner than coal fire power stations.

We will never get nuclear from zero to 50 per cent in 100 years let alone 50 years and its taken us 30 years to get fossil fuels from 87 per cent to the average of around 73 per cent currently in vogue still sometimes up to 80 per cent in windless nights.

Retailers are already offering customers financial inducements for customers to cut electricity supply to their homes during peak periods.

our renewable subsidies run into the 10's of billions each year so imagine how much private industry will want from the taxpayer which always hurts the poor the most for hydrogen to make their shareholders money and the big wigs much more.

if it stacks up the private sector should fund the projects and not hit the taxpayer where it hurts the most on pretty much a whim that might fail miserably.

Personally not that we will ever get to net zero on this planet as it defies science ( physics , laws of thermodynamics , chemistry and I could go on ) I doubt we will ever get to the levellers the modelers say we have to in the timeframe we have to but we should cut emissions in a practical , affordable and morally just way.

the good news like covid , and many other long term the modelers always get it very wrong but that shouldn't mean we keep the status quo.

It will take a regime change of significant political shift to get China on board which could happen especially if the West goes to war with China which could be an inevitable outcome this century.

 

[BlueMoonAcrossThePond]

@mancity1
You strike me as a reasonable conservative. Yet, your views on the ramifications of climate change and the need to take action strike me as skewed.

If you have time, please watch:

NOVA | Decoding the Weather Machine | Season 45 | Episode 7

Discover how Earth’s intricate climate system is changing.

www.pbs.org

Some takeaways:
1) There is virtually no dispute among reputable scientists that climate change is both real and is largely due to greenhouse gas emissions caused by humans;
2) Chemical equilibrium has not yet been reached; even if we were to stop all greenhouse gas emissions - right now - the climate will continue to warm until an equilibrium state is reached;
3) As a result of the above, most (virtually all) nations have pledged to reduce greenhouse gas emissions. The argument that "my nation shouldn't engage in greenhouse gas reduction because other nations will not do so, and thus, we'll be at an economic disadvantage accordingly" fails - because it's in the best interest of all nations to adopt green technology and moreover because it's generally less expensive to produce power using green technology as opposed to fossil fuels.

Renewable Energy Is Now The Cheapest Option - Even Without Subsidies

Over recent years the march towards an energy industry ruled by renewables has been on the agenda of many countries and international bodies. Aside from their non-depleting and replenishing nature, renewable energy is poised to lessen the world's carbon footprint and reduce greenhouse gas emissions.

www.forbes.com

Perhaps not covered by the Nova video:
1) Green technology is now very competitive and is likely less expensive than fossil fuels. Yet, green technology infrastructure is lacking (e.g., let's say you want to purchase an electric vehicle - do you know where to charge it? - is charging convenient? - what about long trips?). Big investment in green energy is sorely needed.
2) As unpopular as nuclear power is - it's a vital component of the battle against climate change - green technology power generation isn't always available - the wind isn't always blowing, the sun isn't always shining, and so forth. A reliable 24/7, power generation technology is needed - and that's nuclear fission.

Fortunately, nuclear fission technology has evolved tremendously - far safer, smaller, nuclear generation plants can be built in areas that aren't subject to flooding due to extreme weather and/or sea level rise - and such plants are on the cusp of being designed to burn most of the waste they produce.

On the other hand, nuclear fusion is at present a pipe dream. It's nowhere near close to being a viable power alternative. I think that we should continue to invest in fusion research, but prudently so. At present, the prospect that fusion will become viable soon is vastly oversold:

 

[bluethrunthru]

I wonder who will remind Johnson that at the virtual G7 this year he said "we don't need any bunny hugging" when he starts rambling and show boating