Coronavirus (2021) thread

[Healdplace]

Another excellent reason to ensure we don't open up until cases are very low, and then gradually, rather than as soon as the o70s are vaccinated, as political pressure may pus us.

I agree - but with recourse to politics all but impossible to avoid sadly as it drives most decisions we take as a nation because we chose not to have a war cabinet to eliminate that.

I wish we could even now do this and show this fight is for all and apolitical - but I fear that ship sailed.

But I am certain an all party committee would be more cautious about reopening swiftly as a party wanting to win votes back from a frustrated public willing them to do so.

This is why we should be running this pandemic free of politics - hard as that is - as this thread shows.

Hard decisions ARE needed and they are only likely to be taken swiftly if there is no political advantage or disadvantage from the choice.

 

[twosips]

I see a piece in the Lancet is saying we should add the Russian Sputnik vaccine to our arsenal as its efficacy is now clearly established.

I suspect it will be hard to divorce politics from this vaccine or to get some people to take it for inevitable reasons but should we trust doctors evaluating it? I would if it speeds things up.

We have to be realistic though. can you imagine the increase in vaccine scepticism if you told people they'd be getting a Russian vaccine called 'Sputnik' jabbed into their arms? Most on this thread are pretty open I'd argue, and there's already loads of cynical views towards it. Try selling that to the general public who aren't keeping up with the science of it all. Kinda reckon it'd create more problems than it solves tbh.

 

[Nebuchadnezzar]

We have to be realistic though. can you imagine the increase in vaccine scepticism if you told people they'd be getting a Russian vaccine called 'Sputnik' jabbed into their arms? Most on this thread are pretty open I'd argue, and there's already loads of cynical views towards it. Try selling that to the general public who aren't keeping up with the science of it all. Kinda reckon it'd create more problems than it solves tbh.

I never had any problem with smoking it in all honesty.

 

[cleavers]

If supermarkets take the same view, there will be no toilet rolls.

;-)

 

[sir baconface]

something wrong when a parcel del Co is playing it safe and the goverment are sat on the fence,imediate postcode full lockdown would and is the only way forward

A bit arbitrary. Let’s say there are 12 cases in that post code area. How many other post codes do you think those 12 have visited in the last week or two?

If you nuked the district, there would be be dozens more affected districts in the pipeline, scattered all over the country.

 

[kaz7]

I predicted who would have liked this post before i looked and i got 3 out of 3!

Its not happy clapping - the attempt to find the most depressing news article and create panic will send poor BlueMatt over the edge! Van Tam and his collogue are calm about mutation and just say we are adept at amending vaccines and it can be done quickly. The media just want sensational clicks.

Sorry mark but when tony fauci speaks the world listens , if we just happy clapped in this thread we would be doing each other a diservice , we all need to face what is happening and stick solidly to the rules

 

[twosips]

I predicted who would have liked this post before i looked and i got 3 out of 3!

Its not happy clapping - the attempt to find the most depressing news article and create panic will send poor BlueMatt over the edge! Van Tam and his collogue are calm about mutation and just say we are adept at amending vaccines and it can be done quickly. The media just want sensational clicks.

It was PHE that announced this, not the media, so you're miles off there. Feel free to have a browse here if you like:

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/957504/Variant_of_Concern_VOC_202012_01_Technical_Briefing_5_England.pdf

It isn't gossip. It's real news. Unfortunately we can't all live our lives with our fingers in our ears ignoring anything that isn't cheerful. I know that works for some, but not everyone. There is no attempt to find the most depressing article. I've shared TONNES of positive stuff in here recently. Positivity is all any of us want to read, but I will also share any new information even if its negative, because that's how the real world operates - as long as its well sourced. PHE is about as good a source as you can get. I truly get the concern for Matt, but if that's a case then Ric will have to close the thread or allow a positive news only policy.

Please feel free to post the Van Tam quotes about how calm he is regarding this very new mutation. It'd be a genuinely welcome read!

 

[sir baconface]

;-)

I’d rather you didn’t misquote me. Even with a wink. Thank you. :)

 

[lancs blue]

Meanwhile, record numbers of people are drinking themselves to death

Alcohol deaths hit record high during Covid pandemic - BBC News

From another angle I was thinking just the other day that I had barely touched the stuff since the first lockdown, being very much a social drinker and having had fuck all social life since then.

 

[Healdplace]

32 cases of a worrying mutation virus in Liverpool - Hancock just now.