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grunge said:
A crackpot anti vaxxer theory that the Vaccinated shed "something" that is dangerous. to the extent that Antivaxxers in the states are starting to wear masks to protect themselves from the vaccinated......

Id like to say, You couldn't make this shit up. but clearly someone can!.
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To be fair, it is possible to have viral shedding after a vaccine, although that requires a weakened virus to be used as the basis for the vaccines. That means that the ONLY way for this to potentially happen is from a live-attenuated vaccine, which means it contains a weakened version of a virus or germ if you like, that causes a disease. These vaccines work by letting the virus replicate inside a person's body enough times to stimulate an immune response, but not cause the disease itself. The live-attenuated vaccines currently include:
  • MMR (measles, mumps, and rubella)
  • Chickenpox
  • Shingles
  • Rotavirus
  • Nasal flu spray
  • Typhoid
And while this type of vaccine can cause a person to shed the weakened virus, most often through shitting, it's almost impossible to spread enough of the germ to infect someone else with the disease.

If the conspiracy theorists knew one thing, you’d imagine that they knew that this is not the basis or science behind any of the vaccines we're currently using for COVID-19, which makes the theory even more ludicrous.…
 
The Light Was Yellow Sir said:
To be fair, it is possible to have viral shedding after a vaccine, although that requires a weakened virus to be used as the basis for the vaccines. That means that the ONLY way for this to potentially happen is from a live-attenuated vaccine, which means it contains a weakened version of a virus or germ if you like, that causes a disease. These vaccines work by letting the virus replicate inside a person's body enough times to stimulate an immune response, but not cause the disease itself. The live-attenuated vaccines currently include:
  • MMR (measles, mumps, and rubella)
  • Chickenpox
  • Shingles
  • Rotavirus
  • Nasal flu spray
  • Typhoid
And while this type of vaccine can cause a person to shed the weakened virus, most often through shitting, it's almost impossible to spread enough of the germ to infect someone else with the disease.

If the conspiracy theorists knew one thing, you’d imagine that they knew that this is not the basis or science behind any of the vaccines we're currently using for COVID-19, which makes the theory even more ludicrous.…
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I dont think they are claiming its shedding Covid. rather than its shedding some sort of "Pathogen" from the evil Big Pharma to make people even sicker.
 
You've just got to look at the number of people that didn't get their 2 day tests back, or got them back a week or 10 days later to realise its a total fuck up, with no questions asked by the NHS
 
Marvin said:
Beware. It took 4 weeks for the Indian varaint to go from <100 cases as variant of interest to become the dominant strain in the UK. Testing and genomics is important.
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Only Denmark does it to a sufficient level elsewhere in Europe. Yes a good few European countries have picked it up growing in clusters.
 
grunge said:
A crackpot anti vaxxer theory that the Vaccinated shed "something" that is dangerous. to the extent that Antivaxxers in the states are starting to wear masks to protect themselves from the vaccinated......

Id like to say, You couldn't make this shit up. but clearly someone can!.
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I read about this in Vice a few weeks ago, got to be a wind up surely?
 
Len Rum said:
France and Germany seem to have contained the outbreak of the delta variant much better than us despite making slower progress with vaccinations.
Anyone know why?
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How do you know? Francé's genomic testing is so basic it's nearly non existent. They would be about 5 weeks behind us. 5 weeks ago we were surge testing hoping (and looking like) we would contain it
 
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3 all settings deaths - was 1 last week

7742 cases - up 252 on yesterday was 5683 last Monday

From 1, 039, 248 pillar 1 & 2 tests - was 1, 225, 254 last Monday
 
BlueAnorak said:
How do you know? Francé's genomic testing is nearly non existent.
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It's estimated that in order to build an accurate picture of variant activity within a region, 5% of samples must be sequenced. France was at just under 5% back in May.

For me, that would seem to be enough to be statistically valid to a reasonable extent.

Previously, we've had numbers from them on the South Africa variant whatever that's called now - they were in line with the rest of the mainland.

Fact is that - historically - the UK accounts for more passengers to and from India than France, Germany, Italy and Spain combined. I don't see much more to this story than that.
 
BlueAnorak said:
How do you know? Francé's genomic testing is so basic it's vnearly non existent. They would be about 5 weeks behind us. 5 weeks ago we were surge testing hoping (and looking like) we would contain it
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It's certainly possible, but I think unlikely.

Here's the Covid Tapir: French and UK cases on log scale

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In order for this to become as big a problem for France as it is here, that very rapidly declining case rate in France has to turn around, then start doubling at UK rate, and do that faster than their vaccinations catch up with us (and they're currently vaccinating faster than we are).

What's the maximum case rate of delta that could be hiding beneath that steep overall French decline?

It seems likely that either the delta variant isn't rising as fast in French conditions, or the numbers there are currently still very low.

Are there any areas within France that like Bolton here was, are showing sudden unexpected rises? That would be what you'd expect if there was a hidden issue. I've no idea.
 
Churchlawtonblue said:
maybe your happy with the UK government, im not. If Hancock has been found to lie and peoples business and lives have been lost then the law needs to change so MPs like him can be held to account. Currently I belive awaythere is no accountability. Or perhaps you think otherwise.
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Ultimately, of course, there is the ballot box.
Depending on the legal constitution of an enquiry, that too can require answers.
There is also parliament which can mobilize against a minister, forcing the PM to drop him.
But all this ignores a very powerful tool, namely a free press. If a minister has cynically lied or been grossly incompetent, the press will often as not bring him down; it may take a while but the pressure will force him out.
Thus a minister is answerable to public opinion moulded by one or more of these forces.
The criminal law is a very poor tool when it comes to minsterial accountability. Try framing a law which punishes a minister for lying, and then consider the evidence you would need and the possible defences, then the rebuttal of those defences. That would keep you busy for a while!
Politics, like society, is not perfectible.
 
GM up 66 on the day to 1103 and 278 week to week from 825.

NW up 128 on the day to 2262 and 589 week to week from 1673

GM not far off par today - just over day to day and just under week to week.

Every GM borough was up today week to week excrpt Bolton (down 5) and Stockport (down 5).
Stockport staying sub 100 again.

Manchester down day to day but 83 up week to week. Biggest driver of the increase today.

Many of the smaller boroughs double last week. Bury back over 100. Salford and Wigan both with more cases than Bolton.
 
roubaixtuesday said:
It's certainly possible, but I think unlikely.

Here's the Covid Tapir: French and UK cases on log scale

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In order for this to become as big a problem for France as it is here, that very rapidly declining case rate in France has to turn around, then start doubling at UK rate, and do that faster than their vaccinations catch up with us (and they're currently vaccinating faster than we are).

What's the maximum case rate of delta that could be hiding beneath that steep overall French decline?

It seems likely that either the delta variant isn't rising as fast in French conditions, or the numbers there are currently still very low.

Are there any areas within France that like Bolton here was, are showing sudden unexpected rises? That would be what you'd expect if there was a hidden issue. I've no idea.
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Don’t want to make light of your post, because I read yours and Healdplace’s posts with interest and thank you for them… but that graph does look a lot like a warthog to me!
 
Healdplace said:
3 all settings deaths - was 1 last week

7742 cases - up 252 on yesterday was 5683 last Monday

From 1, 039, 248 pillar 1 & 2 tests - was 1, 225, 254 last Monday
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Nowhere near doubling every week like some were predicting. Considering it’s meant to be a lot more contagious it’s not really doing it’s job. My money is on them coming out and saying ‘actually we have found it’s not actually any more contagious’ within a few weeks.
 
If they can’t remove restrictions in June for a virus where we are seeing almost no deaths and huge amount of people vaccinated then I don’t have any hope for the future. Winter comes around and heavy restrictions will come back. Really don’t know why I renewed my season ticket
 
True_Blue69 said:
Nowhere near doubling every week like some were predicting. Considering it’s meant to be a lot more contagious it’s not really doing it’s job. My money is on them coming out and saying ‘actually we have found it’s not actually any more contagious’ within a few weeks.
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Then how did it replace B.1.1.7?variant count.jpg
 
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