Coronavirus (2021) thread

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Tim of the Oak said:
What about the people who might miss out on getting the vaccine because of the slots you seem to be hogging?
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Relax Tim as someone will take our Astra ones at Rochdale so no cause for alarm or angst. Next weeks slot was booked today and will be cancelled tomorrow for next week. You can have them if you want and you can have our pfizer too.
Hogging .. far from it.
 
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Two Gun Bob said:
The efficacy of the Astra appears to be less with the over 60's 65's.
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Not so.

I've posted the direct paper on this before.

The main trial was not large enough to give a statistically significant result for o65s.

But. They ran a phase 2 trial testing antibody response across age ranges, which showed equivalent response in older subjects to younger. IIRC actually better than pfizer, which showed a drop for older.
 
Tim of the Oak said:
What about the people who might miss out on getting the vaccine because of the slots you seem to be hogging?
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He’s been given a choice between two options, whichever he doesn’t use, the next person in line will get.

All he’s doing is making sure he’s getting the best one.

I’d take what I’m given but would likely take Pfizer if I had a 50/50 choice... and my family have had AZ so there’s no bias in me.

If his only option was AZ, he’d take it and it would protect him, I don’t think he’s disputing that.
 
Ban-jani said:
He’s been given a choice between two options, whichever he doesn’t use, the next person in line will get.

All he’s doing is making sure he’s getting the best one.

I’d take what I’m given but would likely take Pfizer if I had a 50/50 choice... and my family have had AZ so there’s no bias in me.

If his only option was AZ, he’d take it and it would protect him, I don’t think he’s disputing that.
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Pretty much this mate and I can take either and have a choice. No one misses out and all is well in Vaccine-ville.
Philomena just likes bashing the keyboard as it makes her feel special.
 
As I said a week or two back I was worried this 'my vaccine is better than yours' mood would evolve because of the way the supporters of the very expensive vaccines sought to downplay a much cheaper one that could save the world.

We should not be allowing anyone to choose as it plays right into the hands of the drug companies that want to make the third world pay a fortune to use their 'better' product rather than one that is many times cheaper and easier to use in the kind of environment where much of the world will need to administer it.

But once you get below the really old age groups - as we have- there is little difference in efficacy. And in any case we will quite likely be having boosters of different versions (they are trialling mix and match to see if it helps) and there are two or three other vaccines coming on stream soon - any of which might turn out to be better than either of the ones now.

Do you wait 2 months for them and risk catching it in the meantime?

We probably ought to stop this shop around by just offering THE vaccine and you take it or leave it. No advice up front what it will be unless there are counter indications that dictate no choice as some with allergies cannot have the Pfizer one as it risks severe reactions.

Someone needs to get across to the public that the vaccine is NOT about what 99% think it is about - stopping you from getting Covid - it is about stopping you getting sick enough if you do to need to stretch the NHS or end up in hospital.

That is what really matters and there is no evidence that Pfizer outperforms AZ on doing that and some that the reverse might be true.

The choice might be - I have the one where 90% don't catch it at all but 10% do and they might still die. Or the one where only 60% don't catch it at all but just 1% might do and then die.

Framed that way the decision looks quite different.

It should just be a choice that you get THE vaccine - whatever you are given on the day as even if you go booking one you might end up with the other if supplies change at the last minute.

Someone needs to think about this as it will likely be something the media presentation of the supposed different figures will drive.

How many ask which Flu vaccine they get every autumn? I never do. Because it is just called the jab. And most of those are less efficacious than either of these Covid ones. We need people to be grateful we have one not delaying to get the 'better' one. A question less simple than it seems to decide anyway,
 
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It's from the telegraph, so I take it with a pinch of salt. But I have to say, if accurate, then this is exactly the type of caution I'd hope would see us get out of this mess for good. That's if the public stick to what's being proposed, but I'm a fan of the slowly but surely approach as opposed to going ho with major regrets in months down the line.
 
I’ve missed so much of this thread and despite the occasional ‘bumps in the road’, it’s been incredibly informative.

Fitting that those very same scientists I followed from day one & have been consistent with their opinions (that a vaccine would get us out of this eventually ) alongside the social distancing measures in place).

Not sure if I’ve overdone it this week but I’m utterly exhausted.
Way better btw, but lethargy & that heart racing issue that others have mentioned.
I expected to be running by now (nearly 6 weeks on from the first symptoms).
Speaking to a guy at work and he mentioned the average time after covid to return to running is around ten weeks.

I won’t return till I know I’m all good.
 
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