Coronavirus (2021) thread

[Nellies left peg]

Weekly Pop Scores Greater Manchester

Measures cases per 100,000 population from 7 days ago v today

Up in those 7 days is bad, down is good. The lower the Pop Score the better the area is doing. Going up by more is bad, going down by more is good.

BOROUGH // POP SCORE TODAY // POP SCORE LAST FRIDAY // UP /DOWN / BY


Trafford 124 // 148 // down 24

Stockport 169 // 191 // down 22

Oldham 171 // 184 // down 13

Rochdale 172 // 200 // down 28

Wigan 175 // 184 // down 9

Manchester 187 // 205 // down 18

Salford 202 // 224 // down 22

Tameside 213 // 183 UP 30

Bolton 226 // 275 // down 49

Bury 228 // 209 // UP 19


The Manchester Evening News article someone posted last night about Bury and a new variant has panned out and they are back up top after two high scoring days. But Tameside is also not doing well and up by even more.

Bolton was by far the worst last week but has turned things round and whilst still up there in the raw numbers just behind Bury (it was ahead all week) it has fallen week to week the most and seems under control.

Mot other boroughs are bunched together and edging down slowly.

Thank you all for your advice and contribution on here it has been invaluable to many of us on here

 

[Nellies left peg]

That is good to hear. There is a degree of potluckery involved.

I heard today that my nephew who is in his early 40s and no known conditions has got his jab booked today. His wife is 9 years older and has not. They are registered with different GPs is the only thing we can presume.

Both have had Covid and her mother actually died from it after catching it at the same time as them.

Officially she died of it - that is - as by the time she died was over it and seemed to have recovered but that little detail evidently is not relevant.

The Covid could have affected some of her organs I suppose and put extra stress on her body. But we'll never know

 

[Healdplace]

The Covid could have affected some of her organs I suppose and put extra stress on her body. But we'll never know

Sadly no and that will be true of more than a few Covid deaths.

 

[Healdplace]

Weekly Pop Scores for the England Regions are:

Same format as the GM table above This Week / 7 days ago / Down by (every region is falling so down)


East Midlands 181 // 229// down 48

West Midlands 175 // 243 // down 68

North West 171 // 227 // down 56

Yorkshire 149 // 176 down 27

East 115 // 178 down 63

London 105 // 183 down 78

South East 96 // 152 down 56

South West 89 // 124 down 35


As you can see most of GM is above the 171 average for North West Though this is created from the 5 day old data so is a little misleading as on that date only Wigan and Trafford were lower than 171.

Everyhere in GM is above all the non north and midlands regions. Even Trafford.

Showing the North/South split that has developed in past week or two.

 

[paulchapo]

Your efforts and those of many others is commendable. But surely you must have seen that the country is far busier than it was last April May. Many more businesses are open than then. A shorter harder lockdown is what is needed imo.

You do realise we missed that boat ages ago? You can make it as tough as you like but unless you have someone on every street in the country checking people then yes people will break the rules. Here we have been in some form of lockdown for what seems forever. Millions of people have to mix every day to buy food or they'll die of starvation so there will never be a hard lockdown. They should have done what the Isle of Man did at the start, close all borders except for essential supplies coming in, gave every household enough supplies to last a month at least and imprisoned anyone who stepped foot out of the door except to empty rubbish and let the dog have a shit. Get everyone tested, track and trace in place then slowly open up with the borders still closed. Yes I know all the difficulties involved in that but by not doing it we have had a year of misery, over 100,000 deaths and no end in sight, vaccine or no vaccine. The loony Welsh minister is already talking about a fourth wave and keeping the lockdown going. He must be another one who has a magic crystal ball into the future, no wonder the conspiracy theories are growing.

I tell you now people are at the end of their tether and just wait until the good weather comes. Like the collapse of the Berlin wall it will start slow and become a flood of civil disobedience that once it gathers pace won't be stopped. The government know this so will cleverly ease things for the summer to prevent it. You can't keep a supposed democratic free country home imprisoned forever.

 

[blueparrot]

Your efforts and those of many others is commendable. But surely you must have seen that the country is far busier than it was last April May. Many more businesses are open than then. A shorter harder lockdown is what is needed imo.

But up to now the lockdown we have had has given a fall as steep if not steeper than last years. It may plateau now but it might not. So on the evidence we have the lockdown has worked.
Not sure whats open that wasn’t last time but it could well be work places with more measures in place to protect the workers.

 

[Invisible Man's Bandage]

Even at the current rate of vaccinations we are in a great position and I'm sure it will accelerate further

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

But up to now the lockdown we have had has given a fall as steep if not steeper than last years. It may plateau now but it might not. So on the evidence we have the lockdown has worked.
Not sure whats open that wasn’t last time but it could well be work places with more measures in place to protect the workers.

How do you know its as steep, we had many more cases last spring, we only tested those that ended up in hospital.

You do realise we missed that boat ages ago? You can make it as tough as you like but unless you have someone on every street in the country checking people then yes people will break the rules. Here we have been in some form of lockdown for what seems forever. Millions of people have to mix every day to buy food or they'll die of starvation so there will never be a hard lockdown. They should have done what the Isle of Man did at the start, close all borders except for essential supplies coming in, gave every household enough supplies to last a month at least and imprisoned anyone who stepped foot out of the door except to empty rubbish and let the dog have a shit. Get everyone tested, track and trace in place then slowly open up with the borders still closed. Yes I know all the difficulties involved in that but by not doing it we have had a year of misery, over 100,000 deaths and no end in sight, vaccine or no vaccine. The loony Welsh minister is already talking about a fourth wave and keeping the lockdown going. He must be another one who has a magic crystal ball into the future, no wonder the conspiracy theories are growing.

I tell you now people are at the end of their tether and just wait until the good weather comes. Like the collapse of the Berlin wall it will start slow and become a flood of civil disobedience that once it gathers pace won't be stopped. The government know this so will cleverly ease things for the summer to prevent it. You can't keep a supposed democratic free country home imprisoned forever.

I dissagree, many more places could be shut, you could close all buiness premesis for two weeks aside from those selling food. Shut all factories, shut all offices, the only way this virus is exisiting is thru person to person transmission. You could limit people to one shop a week. I believe a harder shorter lockdown is better than what we are now doing. Can i ask you both what do you think is going to happen if we carry on like this? as you state cases will creep up as people start to ignore it and the lockdown will carry on being even less effective. So the alternative to a harder shorter 2 week lovkdown is what?? I just cant see anyhing other than this course of action?

 

[Two Gun Bob]

Excellent news along with the 90%+ efficacy with the Pfizer after 1 jab

Vaccine roll out could not be going better tbh

I read a report the Israelis say the pfizer jab gives an efficacy of 85%+ on the first jab with a 75% less risk of transmission to others. And a full on 95% with the two doses. We can both have the Astra next week at Rochdale infirmary but trying to get the Pfizer from Oldham. The efficacy of the Astra appears to be less with the over 60's 65's. Comments?

 

[Tonster]

How do you know its as steep, we had many more cases last spring, we only tested those that ended up in hospital.


I dissagree, many more places could be shut, you could close all buiness premesis for two weeks aside from those selling food. Shut all factories, shut all offices, the only way this virus is exisiting is thru person to person transmission. You could limit people to one shop a week. I believe a harder shorter lockdown is better than what we are now doing. Can i ask you both what do you think is going to happen if we carry on like this? as you state cases will creep up as people start to ignore it and the lockdown will carry on being even less effective. So the alternative to a harder shorter 2 week lovkdown is what?? I just cant see anyhing other than this course of action?

And what happens after your two week mega lockdown then? Cases don’t creep up after?
Difference this time is the vaccine which cuts transmission and reduces hospitalisation and deaths significantly.
Cases peaked at 68K 5 weeks ago, today 12K so it’s clearly working and vaccine impact to come too.
As lockdown is gently eased vaccinations continue at pace so in another 6 weeks all over 50’s and vulnerable are done.
So it should indeed be the last time lockdown is needed.