Coronavirus (2021) thread

[Healdplace]

GM VACCINE UPDATE:




Latest Vaccine Update by Population Percentage for 10 GM boroughs

Borough/ First Dose / Both Doses - TODAY V YESTERDAY


BOLTON 77.5% / 61.0% V 77.4% / 60.7% Up 0.4

BURY 78.9% / 62.2% V 78.9% / 62.0% Up 0.2

MANCHESTER 62.2% / 42.6% V 62.1% / 42.3% Up 0.4

OLDHAM 74.3% / 57.1% V 74.2% / 56.8% Up 0.4

ROCHDALE 75.1% / 58.4% V 75.0% / 58.1% Up 0.4

SALFORD 69.2% / 48.1% V 69.1% / 47.8% Up 0.4

STOCKPORT 83.5% / 65.2% V 83.4% / 65.0% Up 0.3

TAMESIDE 78.9% / 63.0% V 78.8 / 62.5% Up 0.6

TRAFFORD 80.9% / 63.9% V 80.9/ 63.4% UP 0.5

WIGAN 82.3% / 65.0% V 82.2% / 64.6% Up 0.5


Tameside did best again on 0.6% today.

Bury did least on 0,2%

Wigan almost caught Stockport for most second doses. Manchester still nowhere near 50% second doses. Salford will get there in a week or so hopefully.

These numbers are now going up MUCH more slowly than they were a month or so ago,

It is clearly proving harder to get to the ones still unvaccinated.

 

[Healdplace]

To be fair, on the face it, it looks like a wise decision to let it rip through now with how infectious delta appears to be and that people who are double jabbed get it too.

I do not disagree. As I have said before it was the best of what were really no good options as a winter of rising Covid and major flu outbreak which many fear this year would really harm the NHS no matter how low we keep admissions and deaths via vaccinations.

 

[Healdplace]

Why is it, it doesn’t matter how many go in d come out. Only matters how many are in, if that keeps growing too much we have a problem , if it doesn’t grow too much we don’t.

As I have explained in the NHS data posts the admissions number is always two days back of the other data.

So we know that 621 were admitted in England on Tuesday and that 123 of those were from the NW.

We know that on Tuesday after the 123 went in there were 772 in hospital in the NW. On Wednesday there were 771 and today 788. But we only find out tomorrow how many went in yesterday.

So you can work this out from the data I post in here every evening if you want to try (though you will need to deduct the NHS deaths for that day from NW hospitals too).

I simply do not have the time to even attempt all that on top of hours of posting every day here.


NOt tonight at least as I now have two hours to finish off my monthly column for a newsstand magazine that I write for and that they need in the morning so I cannot do those sums right now unfortunately.

 

[Rammy Blue]

I do not disagree. As I have said before it was the best of what were really no good options as a winter of rising Covid and major flu outbreak which many fear this year would really harm the NHS no matter how low we keep admissions and deaths via vaccinations.

Delta in the winter wouldn’t be pretty.

 

[artfuldodger]

I do not disagree. As I have said before it was the best of what were really no good options as a winter of rising Covid and major flu outbreak which many fear this year would really harm the NHS no matter how low we keep admissions and deaths via vaccinations.

I just wish Boris and the powers that be would make it crystal clear that ‘letting it rip‘ is the plan. And that rather than ‘freedom day‘ it’s fasten your seatbelts. Otherwise we’ll have the media and public panicking over rising cases, and Boris put under pressure to U turn with 2 weeks.

 

[paulchapo]

I just wish Boris and the powers that be would make it crystal clear that ‘letting it rip‘ is the plan. And that rather than ‘freedom day‘ it’s fasten your seatbelts. Otherwise we’ll have the media and public panicking over rising cases, and Boris put under pressure to U turn with 2 weeks.

They sort of did say that but Boris just can't help delivering the message in that kind of light hearted jokey way that dissipates it quite a bit

 

[St.Pauli support]

I just wish Boris and the powers that be would make it crystal clear that ‘letting it rip‘ is the plan. And that rather than ‘freedom day‘ it’s fasten your seatbelts. Otherwise we’ll have the media and public panicking over rising cases, and Boris put under pressure to U turn with 2 weeks.

That's exactly what I expect to happen within (maximum) 6 weeks.

In Germany we know we won't reach herd immunity, virus remains endemic, so we have to live with it.

When incidence alone isn't the biggest problem we would have to define how many deaths per year the society would accept (as hard as it is) before locking down. Similar to other death causes in our countries.

But - such a debate will never be started by politicians, as they want to be elected next time again, similar to other tricky but urgent debates permanently kept out of the public.

Ending the warm outdoor season on sky high case numbers will cause havoc when the people return back inside come autumn. Too many unvaccinated, and even fully vaccinated can spread the virus on a reduced level.

Topic number 1 will be schools again. IMO.

 

[buckshot]

How are things going with the vaccines? Are they readily available? Do you have millions of morons refusing to get them like we do over here? It looks like today you lost 63 people, we've lost 300+ so far. Most over here are voluntary since vaccines are extremely easy to find.

 

[bluetonium]

Vaccine availability seems good, I had my second dose one week ago today and it was busy. Several turned up having only just had the first does last month and were turned away, presumably because they wanted to be able to show they are fully vaccinated for access to holidays or events. Still hear of anti vaccine rallys, but I think even those who were even slightly sympathetic to the argument without being fanatic, are prepared to take the shot if it means they can hug, drink and party sooner. It might be Chinese microchips and mind control, but, if our new overlords serve beer and nandos then that's doable for many.

Just read that the NHS covid app is pinging people through walls if they're within a few metres of a positive case. So we've now got people ditching the app and therefore reducing both the ability to track cases and the isolation of positive cases. If the data was even accurate in the first place.

Whilst I'm very conscious of not becoming some kind of recluse, it does feel like we in the UK have put all our eggs in one basket. Hoping everyone or as many as possible get this variant before the flu season starts, even my employer suggested they'd rather have everyone off ill over the next two months at some point than the continued uncertainty.

But it doesn't work like that. Lord help us if this thing mutates again, something it has shown already that it excels at.

With summer holidays just around the corner for schools, my two are already wanting to just do the things they did before, get back to normal. But I can't get my head around it, just blindly going to indoor events, mixing at summer fairs, and meals out. It's like summer is turning into some free for all covid buffet, and most people are ok with that because it means they can go 'back to normal'. Even if the excrement does hit the rotating device, I think most here in the UK feel they are 'due' sone freedom even if it means a closing up again by winter.

 

[M18CTID]

I get that, and obviously that might be the case, but then why didn‘t I catch it whilst spending 10 days in the house with 2 kids with covid? Strange.

Yeah, that's odd but nothing seems to be straightforward with this virus. Incubation period can be as long as 14 days though in rare cases so maybe it just took longer than normal for your symptoms to start

 

[BlueAnorak]

App pinging people through walls they say?
No surprise. - though it will only be a small percentage of pings.
I always turn Bluetooth off when I come in through the front door for exactly this reason.

 

[Tim of the Oak]

That's exactly what I expect to happen within (maximum) 6 weeks.

In Germany we know we won't reach herd immunity, virus remains endemic, so we have to live with it.

When incidence alone isn't the biggest problem we would have to define how many deaths per year the society would accept (as hard as it is) before locking down. Similar to other death causes in our countries.

But - such a debate will never be started by politicians, as they want to be elected next time again, similar to other tricky but urgent debates permanently kept out of the public.

Ending the warm outdoor season on sky high case numbers will cause havoc when the people return back inside come autumn. Too many unvaccinated, and even fully vaccinated can spread the virus on a reduced level.

Topic number 1 will be schools again. IMO.

We don’t know whether we will reach nerd immunity here either. We are gambling that a more harmful variant won’t appear.

We are also gambling with the loyalty of NHS and care workers. Yes, the NHS is partly an emergency service and has to try to cope with what is thrown at it. However, I can see more people wanting to leave to work abroad as the NHS is downgraded to a dumping ground. A mate whose a doctor has just left to work in Canada for a couple of years but that might be to get different life and career experiences.

I don’t think our scientific and medical advisors thought we would have a 1,000 plus loons fighting their way into Wembley stadium when they and politicians started to alienate people who followed the rules. Yes that’s one incident and small numbers have always jibbed into football matches but we had chaos. There’s no easy way out if this and I hope easing the restrictions works. That said, the nerd immunity champions have got everything so far but that doesn’t lose them any votes.

Btw, sorry to see the devastating floods in Germany on the news. I hope the missing people are found safe.

 

[shemnel]

The original large study on Invermectin has been pulled, ethical reasons. Big blow for supporters of that treatment

Huge study supporting ivermectin as Covid treatment withdrawn over ethical concerns

The preprint endorsing ivermectin as a coronavirus therapy has been widely cited, but independent researchers find glaring discrepancies in the data

www.theguardian.com

 

[Rammy Blue]

Yeah, that's odd but nothing seems to be straightforward with this virus. Incubation period can be as long as 14 days though in rare cases so maybe it just took longer than normal for your symptoms to start

Which in theory makes the virus even more powerful! Great, as if it needed anything else in its armoury…

 

[hammocity]

I get that, and obviously that might be the case, but then why didn‘t I catch it whilst spending 10 days in the house with 2 kids with covid? Strange.

I'm not following the science but I'm sure I read or heard something last year that reported some people will have a natural immunity, I think T cells were mentioned but they didn't yet have the knowledge to find out who or why these people were immune.

 

[BLUEMATT23]

Whitty ramping up the fear again

 

[BlueHammer85]

Whitty ramping up the fear again

By saying increasing hospital admissions is a worry ?

 

[Rammy Blue]

Whitty ramping up the fear again

Quite rightly though, it’s going to get messy over the next few weeks.

 

[Rammy Blue]

I'm not following the science but I'm sure I read or heard something last year that reported some people will have a natural immunity, I think T cells were mentioned but they didn't yet have the knowledge to find out who or why these people were immune.

That’s what I thought, I’ve been in contact with loads of people with covid and never caught it. Back to when my kids contracted it, half my local boozer, including mates I’d been sat with, caught it after the England Germany game. Yet I didn’t. Great I thought, looks like I’m one of the lucky ones. Not now, as I’ve caught it, lol.

 

[Rammy Blue]

On another note, for anyone with any sort of remote interest, I’m certainly no worse this morning having started to show symptoms yesterday morning. Dull head, wouldn’t even call it a headache, just feels hot. Bit bunged up. Dry throat, but again wouldn’t call it a cough. Other than that fine at the moment.