Coronavirus (2021) thread

[sky tot]

Got to add to my earlier post of today how proud I am of this country when it comes to the vaccination process. The whole thing was smooth, streamlined and actually quite fun! Think I saw some signs saying "route to escape" or suchlike (made me smile) and others saying "315 more steps to vaccination" and then another in just double figures 5 minutes later.
Bloody brilliant all of it. The staff and volunteers (especially the volunteers) should be very proud of themselves.

I went for mine on Sunday at the Etihad , I got a bit emotional. Brilliant effort by all involved. Very proud

 

[ancoats]

How do we feel Sweden with no hard lockdowns but with border lockdowns as such have faired compared to the likes of UK , France , Spain , Italy , Hungary , Belgium to date.

I note that their deaths per millions is lower than that of the countries mentioned above.

I read an interesting report on their approach and noted that they apparently had no structure in place to combat outside PPE and social norms and basic hygiene the regular contact between the generally younger involved in nursing home , day care and home care services and their elderly residents.

over 75 per cent the deaths recorded to date have come from these settings.

Their death rates to covid or at least attributed to covid don't compare that well to their near neighbours but excess deaths do.

An interesting read

Sweden has avoided a COVID-19 lockdown so far: Has its strategy worked?

Sweden has drawn both international praise and criticism for its decision to stay open during the pandemic. ABC News looks at how their strategy has played out.

abcnews.go.com

its down to size and population. the uk is a small island and very populated in parts and towns and cities are crowded
but also lifestyles are a big part and they are far more healthy people ? but do other countries really post covid-19 death figures and hold back to make them look like its ok over there. i even think the uk are not reporting the full amount of death that have happened and it could be near 200.000 if the truth is told

 

[mancity1]

Badly I’d guess when compared to comparable countries , hence why the king apologised and the prime minister agreed.

They stuffed up looking after the vulnerable as poorly as we did in Victoria I would suggest with our death toll of those in those setting contributing to over 80 per cent of the deaths at an average age of just over the average death age throughout the whole population.

Can you believe the Victorian Government gave the hotel quarantine contract to a company that had no experience in infection control and PPE where security were sourced from Gumtree and were given no training other than how to address those entering the hotels from overseas for their 14 day isolation using the the term sir/madam as opposed to hostage.

30 million out the door and community spread rapidly to nursing homes and day care centres because those looking after those with covid in hospitals and hotels were also looking after residents in those settings mentioned above.

COVID suicide as they say in the classics and we rewarded them by giving the dorks in the Premiers Office a pay rise including his band of merry men and woman as the State was shut down for 6 months.

Apparently the death rate to Covid is around 1 per cent if you contract it if not less but difficult to gauge given weakness in keeping accurate death figures in a number of Countries ( clearly a lot more than tallied in official sources ) countered by the fact that many cases would never be recorded because they were not tested and tor the individual was unaware they had the disease amongst other anomalies.

 

[BlueAnorak]

Covid vaccines: Probe as hundreds fail to attend appointments

Warning as more than 28% of people invited for a vaccine in one health board area fail to turn up.

www.bbc.co.uk

Seems very odd.

People see deaths crashing and think they don't really need the vaccination as a result.
The vaccination rates so far in the UK have been absolutely phenomenal because of the perceived risk of death. Now the chance of dying from Covid-19 is reduced the vaccination rates will fall.
We stil need 80-85% of the population to be vaccinated to reach herd immunity for new variants.
The base figure for Kent, SA and Brazilian variants is 72% = 1-(1/base R0 of 3.5 ) so immunisation targets can't fall too much of 80%

 

[BlueAnorak]

How do we feel Sweden with no hard lockdowns but with border lockdowns as such have faired compared to the likes of UK , France , Spain , Italy , Hungary , Belgium to date.

I note that their deaths per millions is lower than that of the countries mentioned above.

I read an interesting report on their approach and noted that they apparently had no structure in place to combat outside PPE and social norms and basic hygiene the regular contact between the generally younger involved in nursing home , day care and home care services and their elderly residents.

over 75 per cent the deaths recorded to date have come from these settings.

Their death rates to covid or at least attributed to covid don't compare that well to their near neighbours but excess deaths do.

An interesting read

Sweden has avoided a COVID-19 lockdown so far: Has its strategy worked?

Sweden has drawn both international praise and criticism for its decision to stay open during the pandemic. ABC News looks at how their strategy has played out.

abcnews.go.com

Low population density, food fortification with Vitamin D and they have locked down to some degree since November. Also mask wearing is now recommended in poorly ventilated spaces. They have also done worse than their immediate neighbours who did lock down and where maSk wearing is compulsory.

 

[mancity1]

its down to size and population. the uk is a small island and very populated in parts and towns and cities are crowded
but also lifestyles are a big part and they are far more healthy people ? but do other countries really post covid-19 death figures and hold back to make them look like its ok over there. i even think the uk are not reporting the full amount of death that have happened and it could be near 200.000 if the truth is told

I agree Ancoats an island like Australia if you shut borders to overseas travellers and have strict quarantine sites like they do in the NT close to a hospital and the capital City you have 6 recorded deaths as they have.

Over 90 per cent of our land mass has never seen a Covid case yet all states have had hard lockdowns some of them on multiple occasions and currently some 1500km from where 15 people in quarantine in Brisbane people have to wear masks or get fined by the local copper (LOL).

There is talk the whole state will be in lockdown again soon (LOL).

Imagine once you come out of lockdown if you have to lockdown every time one person in the community contracts the virus even though they have been vaccinated.

 

[Tim of the Oak]

How do we feel Sweden with no hard lockdowns but with border lockdowns as such have faired compared to the likes of UK , France , Spain , Italy , Hungary , Belgium to date.

I note that their deaths per millions is lower than that of the countries mentioned above.

I read an interesting report on their approach and noted that they apparently had no structure in place to combat outside PPE and social norms and basic hygiene the regular contact between the generally younger involved in nursing home , day care and home care services and their elderly residents.

over 75 per cent the deaths recorded to date have come from these settings.

Their death rates to covid or at least attributed to covid don't compare that well to their near neighbours but excess deaths do.

An interesting read

Sweden has avoided a COVID-19 lockdown so far: Has its strategy worked?

Sweden has drawn both international praise and criticism for its decision to stay open during the pandemic. ABC News looks at how their strategy has played out.

abcnews.go.com

We always know when we are close to reopening when Sweden gets mentioned mate.

 

[mancity1]

Low population density, food fortification with Vitamin D and they have locked down to some degree since November. Also mask wearing is now recommended in poorly ventilated spaces. They have also done worse than their immediate neighbours who did lock down and where maSk wearing is compulsory.

Good points well made , population density clearly has an impact on spread and subsequent death toll.

I believe mask wearing while community transmission in an issue should be compulsory but not when the health officials state its confined to quarantine settings.

Be interesting if it can be established how many deaths can be prevented by appropriate mask wearing.

 

[mancity1]

We always know when we are close to reopening when Sweden gets mentioned mate.

Gee you lot have gone through a lot of sacrifice , stay well , stay safe and stay open once you do.

the real killer here was hard lockdowns multiple times albeit for small periods after 4 months hard lockdown.

 

[Healdplace]

England hospital summary - full report later.

Happily patients have started to fall again, Down 183 in day to 3283. Fall last Tuesday was 256.

Ventilators also down but only by 14 to 518. Fall last week was 29.

Pro rata with lower numbers not a huge difference but certainly a little slower fall now.

North West though after rising is only back to where it was 4 days ago on exactly the same number - 632 patients.

IN that same period Yorkshire has fallen 214 to just 564 after the being nearly 100 in front at the start.

Still needs watching in coming days bt a fall in numbers is a fall and that is what matters.