Coronavirus (2021) thread

[ayrshire_blue]

My fiancee who is 23 had the AZ vaccine a few weeks ago. Do you reckon she would have had a reaction blood clot wise by now if she was under any risk? A little worried about it tbh.

I thought that those who've tragically suffered from them have done so within days of receiving the vaccine, don't quote me on that though.

 

[ayrshire_blue]

Sometimes I do think this flapping is purposeful by some. They know exactly what they’re fucking doing!

I agree with your sentiment and the majority of your post. But on this point, I don't see it that way. I think people's mental health has taken a hammer blow, and with so many previous set backs, the slightest hint of trouble ahead becomes unintentionally exaggerated sending people (me included at times), into a panic. It's almost as if people are actively waiting on the bad news to come, as if there's an inevitability about it.

The media have a double chance of striking headlines and grabbing attention. "Everyone will be absolutely free come 21st June", bold letters plastered on every outlet putting people generally in good spirits only for the same outlets "LOCKED DOWN UNTIL 2022" or such like only a month or so later, it gets the same readers attention again. That absolutely fucks with people's minds rather than just writing about exactly how it is. So yeah, perhaps the media are purposely flapping but I can't blame the public for how it's interpreted, its difficult to stay sane over a year down the line.

 

[Deleted member 77198]

Christ you're insufferable.

Clearly, available and rapid testing is required to help identify outbreaks and shut them down asap. Do you want your freedoms or not? Do you have a better plan to achieve post-pandemic utopia?

People moaned about the test and trace system costing so much, but when it’s actually putting the money to good use for once by still using it into the future to identify outbreaks and possible new variants, people still moan about it.

 

[Cityfan]

My fiancee who is 23 had the AZ vaccine a few weeks ago. Do you reckon she would have had a reaction blood clot wise by now if she was under any risk? A little worried about it tbh.

I think being worried is very natural because there is a lot of controversy and information about it just now.
However I don't think you need to be . The reports are suggesting the clots are manifesting between 4 and sixteen days so if it was a few weeks ago she should be fine.
In all honesty all emdicines have some side effects these appear very rare , they are obviously of concern to younger people becuase their absolute risk from covid is very low , however the risk from these clots appears to be also very low indeed.

 

[Franny's toilet roll]

I thought that those who've tragically suffered from them have done so within days of receiving the vaccine, don't quote me on that though.

The stat is for blood clots occuring 4-28 days after the jab. Unless i've missed it, no link has been found ( yet) to the vaccine. I also understand that the number of clots occurring since we've been taking the vaccine in the UK is down on average, so it 'could' be inferred that the vaccine actually reduces blood clots. As stated by most, the risk of covid is greater than that from clotting . The blood clot issue is an interesting one though. My daughter is 6 months pregnant and is a clinical scientist specialising in genetic birth disorders. She wont be taking the vaccine until after the baby is born. My wife and i are due our second jabs in April/May we had Astrazenaca. I'm a little cynical regarding the adverse publicity for this 'at cost' jab. Too much political and Big Pharma interference for me

 

[BlueHammer85]

Go to North Korea, mate. Might give you a reality check.

I get there are pessimistic people around but some of the stuff you spout is utter nonsense.

Did you know that in normal pre-Covid times, people in Sweden socially distance in queues out of politeness as part of their culture? And in South Korea (SOUTH!), they wear masks in public to stop the spread of viruses like simple flu and common colds as part of their culture?

Social distancing and mask wearing for the next couple of years while a virus like Covid is still around is just common fucking sense.

Stop moaning about it, you’re not the only person living through this, every one of us is. Stop jumping to paranoid extremes, stop comparing everything to Orwell and North Korea... find some things to enjoy during these times that you won’t be able to do or have time to do when the world gets back to normal. Lockdown has changed my life, I’m the healthiest I’ve been for about 15 years and that wouldn’t have happened if it weren’t for Covid. Take positives out of every situation instead of moaning about fictional extremes.

And what level of insight into SAGE do you have that makes you qualified to call them an absolute joke? Do you have any idea how hard people (normal individuals with families of their own, they’re not some crazy scientists in a military dictatorship) are working within SAGE towards defeating this pandemic?

Very well said.

 

[unicorn]

The one thing that would have made the biggest difference is paying people a level of sick pay (not £95 pw) that meant they didn’t need to go to work for a week or two if they were ill. Whitty said yesterday that, going forward, any social distancing measures will need to include staying at home when you aren’t well, which just hasn’t been happening because people can’t afford it.

Agree, and that's why Track & Trace will fail to cope with virus variants, even as we get Covid down to manageable levels, unless we enforce isolation and help folk cope financially.

The BMA survey (Adherence to the test, trace, and isolate system in the UK: results from 37 nationally representative surveys | The BMJ) indicated only 43% adhered to the required isolation periods, mainly because of finances.

 

[paulchapo]

I agree with your sentiment and the majority of your post. But on this point, I don't see it that way. I think people's mental health has taken a hammer blow, and with so many previous set backs, the slightest hint of trouble ahead becomes unintentionally exaggerated sending people (me included at times), into a panic. It's almost as if people are actively waiting on the bad news to come, as if there's an inevitability about it.

The media have a double chance of striking headlines and grabbing attention. "Everyone will be absolutely free come 21st June", bold letters plastered on every outlet putting people generally in good spirits only for the same outlets "LOCKED DOWN UNTIL 2022" or such like only a month or so later, it gets the same readers attention again. That absolutely fucks with people's minds rather than just writing about exactly how it is. So yeah, perhaps the media are purposely flapping but I can't blame the public for how it's interpreted, its difficult to stay sane over a year down the line.

I've mentioned before the media have on the whole been terrible during this pandemic. There are also a load of experts wheeled out, some sounding positive and some appearing to want us all locked indoors and everything shut forever.

Mentally it is starting to take it's toll on a lot of people. I understand some posters saying their partner/kids are doing their head in but a lot live alone. In normal times that is okay, you can go out and socialise, visit family and friends etcetera, have an outlet. That has been taken away. Phone calls and the internet are a poor substitute for real human interaction.

 

[True_Blue69]

I’d imagine the risk of blood clots are far higher if she contracts COVID .

In a fit and healthy 23 year old? Love to see the evidence you’re basing that on.

 

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

I agree they should've done more to help with sick pay for those who test positive. Perhaps even allow people to be furloughed for a couple of weeks at least, especially as it's estimated that furlough has cost billions in fraudulent claims, yet those who have to isolate due to Covid are only entitled to £95 per week. On the flip side to that, all these people who have Covid but can't afford to isolate - what exactly do they do when they're off sick for any other reason? If they can't get into work because they're floored with the flu or have broken an ankle, etc, can they all of a sudden afford a couple of weeks or so off work on SSP for those reasons but not when they have Covid?

They might stay off work for a few days, if they are ill. What they’ve never had to do before is stay off work if they’re feeling absolutely fine but someone they might have stood next to for a while test positive (for a virus they might have had weeks ago). There’s no sick pay at all for that either.