Coronavirus (2021) thread

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Healdplace said:
The sensible step would be an immediate two week UK lockdown. Until we know where we stand. And try to slow its spread if it is out there as yet untraced.

But in the pre Christmas period where so many are depending on successful trade there is about as much chance of that as Santa delivering a magic fairy dust vaccine on Christmas Morning.

So we will need to rely on getting lucky.
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jesus.

"There's something bad in the world!"
"Lock them all down!"
 
Healdplace said:
Is there any chance that this will be more transmissable but less deadly? I can see why a virus would evolve to be more infective but if it is not significantly evasive that might actually be good news for humans and the virus. But we will not know that for a week or two. All we see now is the possibility of what it has that might evade the immune system.

The thought of going back 18 months amd starting over with enforced lockdown all winter is frightening as I do not see how they are going to do that successfully as people will be less responsive to that than ever regardless of this threat.

There are already people out there claiming this is being invented as the compliance was failing to try to scare people into doing things.
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Won't know for 2 or 3 weeks.
 
Healdplace said:
Given its apparent infectivity it likely will as most places are under less restrictions than they were when other vaiants arrived lulled into the belief that we were at the end. Especially given the time of year when millions are interacting openly.

But looks like as Churchill put it we are at best not at the end or the beginning of the end but the end of the beginning.

He was right in 1940 when he said that about World War Two. Let us hope we do not face five more years of bitter warfare against an insidious enemy secretly developing new super weapons to threaten the planet.
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That was actually in his Lord Mayor’s speech in November 1942, after El Alamein, but I take your point. On the bright side, that would mean only three and a half years to go…
 
Gabriel said:
That was actually in his Lord Mayor’s speech in November 1942, after El Alamein, but I take your point. On the bright side, that would mean only three and a half years to go…
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Thank you I always thought differently. Shows how easy it is to presume that a myth is true if enough repeat it. And old as I am even I was not born before 1945. Not quite anyway.
 
PannickAtTheDisco said:
jesus.

"There's something bad in the world!"
"Lock them all down!"
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I said it will never happen in the circumstances. And never work given the timing. Just that it would be the prudent thing to do given what we know. I certainly am not in favour of lockdowns in every circumstance. Or regularly. This is not every circumstance. It is the biggest threat we have had in 20 months. And how we respond could determine the lives of many people.
 
Grant Shapps just confirmed on the BBC the strategy 'if there is a new variant eventually it WILL come here'.

They do not believe they can prevent it.

They are just 'buying time' as he put it and will review the travel restrictions in 3 weeks.
 
I see eddie howe at Newcastle is now available after testing negative, didnt have to self isolate for ten days like the rest of us mugs, as he decided his symptoms started before he tested positive.
So heres me been stuck in a bedroom for nine days getting calls and messages from the nhs most days telling me its my legal obligation to stay home, when I could have just said I felt iffy a week before I tested positive. Sets a great example
 
gaz76 said:
I see eddie howe at Newcastle is now available after testing negative, didnt have to self isolate for ten days like the rest of us mugs, as he decided his symptoms started before he tested positive.
So heres me been stuck in a bedroom for nine days getting calls and messages from the nhs most days telling me its my legal obligation to stay home, when I could have just said I felt iffy a week before I tested positive. Sets a great example
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joke . I just recovering from it called me every other day . 3 weeks off work with it . back in this week. Hope you not to bad with it Blue.
 
gaz76 said:
I see eddie howe at Newcastle is now available after testing negative, didnt have to self isolate for ten days like the rest of us mugs, as he decided his symptoms started before he tested positive.
So heres me been stuck in a bedroom for nine days getting calls and messages from the nhs most days telling me its my legal obligation to stay home, when I could have just said I felt iffy a week before I tested positive. Sets a great example
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You do realise that he still has to watch Newcastle play, don’t you? ;-)
 
gaz76 said:
I see eddie howe at Newcastle is now available after testing negative, didnt have to self isolate for ten days like the rest of us mugs, as he decided his symptoms started before he tested positive.
So heres me been stuck in a bedroom for nine days getting calls and messages from the nhs most days telling me its my legal obligation to stay home, when I could have just said I felt iffy a week before I tested positive. Sets a great example
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Yep. Taking the piss.
www.mirror.co.uk

Howe's Covid symptoms confusion as Newcastle boss set for dug-out vs Arsenal

Newcastle United's new manager Eddie Howe has been declared clear of COVID and will be in dug-out at Arsenal just eight days after his positive test.
www.mirror.co.uk www.mirror.co.uk
 
Healdplace said:
Is there any chance that this will be more transmissable but less deadly? I can see why a virus would evolve to be more infective but if it is not significantly evasive that might actually be good news for humans and the virus. But we will not know that for a week or two. All we see now is the possibility of what it has that might evade the immune system.

The thought of going back 18 months amd starting over with enforced lockdown all winter is frightening as I do not see how they are going to do that successfully as people will be less responsive to that than ever regardless of this threat.

There are already people out there claiming this is being invented as the compliance was failing to try to scare people into doing things.
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It's possible but the vaccines make this extremely complicated.

Right now the hysteria is completely unwarranted because there's no evidence other than it is replacing Delta in a region and that region has very low vaccination rates. In regions with low vaccination rates, of course spread rates will be higher. I'd be far more interested to see if these infected people were vaccinated and what their symptom course was but so far there's absolutely nothing, if none of them even got ill then why do we care?

It's very unlikely that we'll see a killer, fast spreading variant, it's more likely that we'll see further breakthrough infections with the exact same symptom course as recently. In other words, hospitalisations will probably go up but they'll be nowhere near as they were last year.

Delta was the worst variant on the patch only 6 months ago, how times changed because now no-one cares about it.

I wouldn't worry too much, it's all hysteria at the moment and it's far too early to say anything and it's certainly too early to start setting aside new lockdown policies.
 
Granted this guy is usually quite alarmist but his stats are usually solid. Early data suggesting that this new variant is 500% more transmissible than the original strain. For scale Delta is 70%.

 
gaz76 said:
I see eddie howe at Newcastle is now available after testing negative, didnt have to self isolate for ten days like the rest of us mugs, as he decided his symptoms started before he tested positive.
So heres me been stuck in a bedroom for nine days getting calls and messages from the nhs most days telling me its my legal obligation to stay home, when I could have just said I felt iffy a week before I tested positive. Sets a great example
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To be fair you isolate from when symptoms first started not when you received your test. He tested positive eight days ago so very well could have had symptoms a couple of days before. He is also very probably being tested two or three times per week so may have returned two negative tests already.
 
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