Coronavirus (2021) thread

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paulchapo said:
Mate you need to drop out of this thread. Everybody now knows your views so you're just on repeat. Lots of us come onto this thread as there's some knowledgeable people who give good information. When the situation changes, as it now has, we don't want to follow the mainstream news and it's hysteria as it's not good for many people's mental health. This place is a good alternative to find out what's going on. You're just clogging it up
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This^^^^^^

His point has been made - just derailing the thread now
 
PannickAtTheDisco said:
either the first 2 jabs work, in which case you don't need a booster, or they don't, in which case why would anyone have a dud vaccine to just end up in the same place in "we advised a minimum of 6 but now we have the chance let's make it 3 so we can stick more needles in people to show we're doing something".

No proof the booster works on Optimus Prime or whatever it's called, and if you've already had 2 mRNA why would you have a third in half the time you were told was the minimum it would work for? Plus, if you're a young male, why would you increase your risk of myocarditis (and vaccine dependency) from yet another mRNA jab when the current one you were told would still be working by this point?

Science doesn't add up so I expect the uptake will be poor the younger you get.
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There are 2 ways in which the vaccines work. 1 is to raise your antibody levels which help fight off infection. The other is that it gives your T and B cells memory so if infected, they will kick in to help prevent serious disease or death which is the most important thing. After 6 to 8 months antibodies go down which is natural and will always happen. However, you are still protected in that if you get infected, it will most likely be mild symptoms.

If you want to prevent any infection to raise your antibody levels again, then get a booster, but you will probably need to get a booster over and over again every 6 months. 2 jabs should be enough even if you get infected, you won't have to go to the hospital.
 
Is there any need to rush out and get the booster if you had your last jab 3 months ago?

Hard to know what to do without some decent information.
 
Waiting to see how they handle this. Was waiting to book my booster next week as you couldn't book until 5 months and even then for a day 6 months after your second jab.

Now I wonder if I'll not be able to book because of more people being eligible, unless they are still going to go by age? Otherwise I could find myself waiting even longer than the original six months for my booster?

Also slightly concerned by that I've had 2 dose was of AZ and now it will be another. I know they say it's all fine but makes me a little nervous mixing and matching.
 
Larry Stranger said:
2 jabs should be enough even if you get infected, you won't have to go to the hospital
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Efficacy against hospitalisation falls over 6 months, quite notably.

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COVID-19 vaccine surveillance report: 25 November 2021 (week 47)

Hospitalizations have already fallen relative to cases in the age groups targeted for boosters.
 
bluetonium said:
Waiting to see how they handle this. Was waiting to book my booster next week as you couldn't book until 5 months and even then for a day 6 months after your second jab.

Now I wonder if I'll not be able to book because of more people being eligible, unless they are still going to go by age? Otherwise I could find myself waiting even longer than the original six months for my booster?

Also slightly concerned by that I've had 2 dose was of AZ and now it will be another. I know they say it's all fine but makes me a little nervous mixing and matching.
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I had 2 AZ and boosted with Pfizer. Had more reaction to AZ than Pfizer.

$lightly achy arm with Pfizer for a day. I’m now 3 days boosted and back to “normal”.
 
Larry Stranger said:
There are 2 ways in which the vaccines work. 1 is to raise your antibody levels which help fight off infection. The other is that it gives your T and B cells memory so if infected, they will kick in to help prevent serious disease or death which is the most important thing. After 6 to 8 months antibodies go down which is natural and will always happen. However, you are still protected in that if you get infected, it will most likely be mild symptoms.

If you want to prevent any infection to raise your antibody levels again, then get a booster, but you will probably need to get a booster over and over again every 6 months. 2 jabs should be enough even if you get infected, you won't have to go to the hospital.
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Well put.

From my non expert understanding, if you have antibodies your body is ready to fight the virus almost instantly. If antibodies have dropped and you rely on memory cells it takes 2-3 days for you body to be up and fully running to fight the virus.

for some people that 2-3 days is enough for the virus to take hold and become symptomatic etc.

Without either it takes a 7 odd days before your really reving against it.
 
Larry Stranger said:
There are 2 ways in which the vaccines work. 1 is to raise your antibody levels which help fight off infection. The other is that it gives your T and B cells memory so if infected, they will kick in to help prevent serious disease or death which is the most important thing. After 6 to 8 months antibodies go down which is natural and will always happen. However, you are still protected in that if you get infected, it will most likely be mild symptoms.

If you want to prevent any infection to raise your antibody levels again, then get a booster, but you will probably need to get a booster over and over again every 6 months. 2 jabs should be enough even if you get infected, you won't have to go to the hospital.
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When I worked at sea we had to have a cholera jab every six months. Nobody quibbled and it did no harm to anybody.
 
roubaixtuesday said:
Efficacy against hospitalisation falls over 6 months, quite notably.

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COVID-19 vaccine surveillance report: 25 November 2021 (week 47)

Hospitalizations have already fallen relative to cases in the age groups targeted for boosters.
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Analysing data is tricky. If you look at the vaccines and say for example 2 jabs is 90% effective against severe disease and death, then 10% could still be hospitalized or die. Well if you took 1 million people who are double jabbed, 10% of that is still 100,000 people. So just because more people are in the hospital, it could be some of that 10% are only getting it now. Numbers in the hospital may go up, but the percentage doesn't change.

There are certain people that are at risk. People over the age of 65 and people with comorbidities. They for sure should get boosters no doubt.

Then they are people who don't don't take well to the vaccines for whatever reason, no matter how many times they get jabbed. Nothing is 100% effective. I'm still thankful that the effectiveness of the vaccines are so high. During development they were shooting for 50% to 60%.

If you want to get boosted then go for it. No harm, but for many people 2 jabs should be fine.
 
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