Coronavirus (2021) thread

[BlueAnorak]

The difference is though that I need to drive to get to work, go to nice places etc. I don't need a vaccine in the same way.

Not great news on the Moderna/Pfizer vaccines as well but good that this info is coming out so people get the full picture. They were the safe bets vs the AZ. Shows that you need to wait a good 6 months after approval before you know what side effects they really have on all age groups. Thankfully they are seemingly very low risk at the moment in the general population but a tiny bit sketchy for the 18-35s.

And if you wait 6 months, you can catch Covid and maybe become seriously ill and develop life affecting illness (e.g. diabetes, heart disease, Inflammatory conditions) or die.
The balance of risk is important to understand.

 

[crooky]

The only reason the AZ vaccine is not in use at the moment for the under 30's is because statistically the threat of COVID is much lower because the chances of catching it and therefore getting ill at the moment are so low.

If COVID cases do pickup again then the vaccine will be put back into use on the basis that for young people many will get ill or even die due to COVID which is far worse.

I'm 32 and I had the AZ vaccine with no problems whatsoever, I'm on my second dose tomorrow and I can't wait to get it over with so I/we can live normally again. Please remember that COVID is far worse and would you take a million chance risk over the 1000x higher risk of getting ill from COVID? I know I would. Either way it's your choice but I'd get whatever vaccine you can.

That is interesting thanks.

I'd only seen the low risk chart posted before so interesting to see there's more charts that highlight that things change considerably when the numbers are high.

Found it on here if anyone wants a source:

COVID-19: Britons aged 18-29 to be offered alternative to Oxford-AstraZeneca coronavirus jab where possible

There is a possible link between the vaccine and "extremely rare" blood clots, the MHRA said.

news.sky.com

 

[Manchester1894]

Off to see in laws this weekend. Walking around woods with us and the kids in the cold as we cannot celebrate a birthday properly atm. As we were in a call with them, they say " Oh we'll open up the conservatory and we can sit in there after". We've not had a jab, they see their other son and their family over that side. So we did the right thing and said we cannot come in your house. So difficult and this is the situation many families will have. My wife is 41 and is probably a week away from her jab, I'm 40 next weekend and will no doubt be able to book from then too. Just not worth the risk is it? Been doing this carefully for 14 months now and why throw it all away at the last minute.

 

[Toney’s bookie]

Off to see in laws this weekend. Walking around woods with us and the kids in the cold as we cannot celebrate a birthday properly atm. As we were in a call with them, they say " Oh we'll open up the conservatory and we can sit in there after". We've not had a jab, they see their other son and their family over that side. So we did the right thing and said we cannot come in your house. So difficult and this is the situation many families will have. My wife is 41 and is probably a week away from her jab, I'm 40 next weekend and will no doubt be able to book from then too. Just not worth the risk is it? Been doing this carefully for 14 months now and why throw it all away at the last minute.

According to this morning’s news and the NHS website, you can both book in for your jabs NOW

COVID-19 vaccine

NHS information about the COVID-19 vaccine, including what the vaccine helps protect against, who should have it and when, how to get it and side effects.

www.nhs.uk

As an aside, and this isn’t saying what you should or shouldn’t do as it’s your choice….but perception of risk is something that many people are going to struggle with as we exit this pandemic and the messaging campaign.

King’s college figures this morning put the level of risk of being *infected* with Corona for a non-jabbed person at 1 in 45,000. For a single jabbed person they say 1 in 100,000 and double jabbed is 1 in 150,000. Of course, all these are based on CURRENT levels of circulation of infection. So the *risk* of you sitting in your in laws’ conservatory is likely now pretty much zero, especially if they’ve been jabbed.

I’ve said before that I understand the govts’ roadmap and can live with it so not saying you should do anything you’re not comfortable with and before anyone says I’m a ‘denier’ I’ve had my jab and most certainly am not.

The point I’m trying to make is will people be able to make the mental switch away from perceived ‘risk’ simply by the governement telling them it’s now ok, or when will they feel ‘safe’ with a jab, or is it simply rule based?

As we move on over the next few months and years there will be some rebuilding needed of those people that have had their level of risk cranked up to disproportionate levels and it’s always more difficult to march the army back down the mountain. Let’s hope they have a plan!

 

[Tim of the Oak]

Off to see in laws this weekend. Walking around woods with us and the kids in the cold as we cannot celebrate a birthday properly atm. As we were in a call with them, they say " Oh we'll open up the conservatory and we can sit in there after". We've not had a jab, they see their other son and their family over that side. So we did the right thing and said we cannot come in your house. So difficult and this is the situation many families will have. My wife is 41 and is probably a week away from her jab, I'm 40 next weekend and will no doubt be able to book from then too. Just not worth the risk is it? Been doing this carefully for 14 months now and why throw it all away at the last minute.

You can book now. Vaccinations are open to everyone 40 and over according to Radio 5 Live.

 

[Tim of the Oak]

I am glad Track and Trace appears to be working but the performance of this programme was underwhelming for a long time. I don’t hear World War 1 described as a success , and the Somme (1916) and Passchendaele (1917) ignored, just because the Allies won in 2018.

 

[Tim of the Oak]

According to this morning’s news, you can both book in for your jabs TODAY.

As an aside, and this isn’t saying what you should or shouldn’t do as it’s your choice….but perception of risk is something that many people are going to struggle with as we exit this pandemic and the messaging campaign.

King’s college figures this morning put the level of risk of being *infected* with Corona for a non-jabbed person at 1 in 45,000. For a single jabbed person they say 1 in 100,000 and double jabbed is 1 in 150,000. Of course, all these are based on CURRENT levels of circulation of infection. So the *risk* of you sitting in your in laws’ conservatory is likely now pretty much zero, especially if they’ve been jabbed.

I’ve said before that I understand the govts’ roadmap and can live with it so not saying you should do anything you’re not comfortable with and before anyone says I’m a ‘denier’ I’ve had my jab and most certainly am not.

The point I’m trying to make is will people be able to make the mental switch away from perceived ‘risk’ simply by the governement telling them it’s now ok, or when will they feel ‘safe’ with a jab, or is it simply rule based?

As we move on over the next few months and years there will be some rebuilding needed of those people that have had their level of risk cranked up to disproportionate levels and it’s always more difficult to march the army back down the mountain. Let’s hope they have a plan!

This morning news is also reporting that demand for hospitality is buoyant so many people ate ready to make the adjustment to having a better life with fewer restrictions.

Everyone might perceive the risks and benefits differently. I link taking the vaccine with getting back faster to close to normality, as well as health protection.

I may have missed your point but it’s not just the Government that has been promoting the vaccine. Communities, scientists and celebrities convincing people to take the vaccine appears to have more successful than many people thought was possible. Now it’s a tougher gig with younger people (currently) less at risk from Covid becoming eligible for the vaccine. Maybe many of the young will continue to prioritise protecting wider society

 

[Toney’s bookie]

This morning news is also reporting that demand for hospitality is buoyant so many people ate ready to make the adjustment to having a better life with fewer restrictions.

Everyone might perceive the risks and benefits differently. I link taking the vaccine with getting back faster to close to normality, as well as health protection.

I may have missed your point but it’s not just the Government that has been promoting the vaccine. Communities, scientists and celebrities convincing people to take the vaccine appears to have more successful than many people thought was possible. Now it’s a tougher gig with younger people (currently) less at risk from Covid becoming eligible for the vaccine. Maybe many of the young will continue to prioritise protecting wider society

I think we’re broadly in agreement. To clarify, my point was about the government’s ‘increase / inflate sense of personal risk’ communications strategy which has led some to be genuinely petrified of living and anxious about a return to normality. Will it simply be a case of the government adjusting the rules such that XYZ is now declared ‘safe’ for these people to feel ok to hug, kiss, be in a crowd etc even though the statistical risk will be miniscule going forward. I’m not sure. I’ve posted before about ‘societal’ ends to pandemics which is where the people simply do not feel scared anymore or get bored and so just decide to get on with life. Many in the UK are already at that point judging by the heaving bars and shops.

The messaging about vaccines I’m totally on board with and I agree that for younger people, a sense of community, doing the right thing and how vaccines protect wider society is important rather than trying to convince them they’re at great personal risk which we all know they won’t believe. There is positive news that younger cohorts are keen to get jabs anyhow for holiday reasons so perhaps this carrot will be effective - I truly hope so.

A trade off between personal risk perception vs prescriptive rules is going to be at play now for many people without doubt, hence JVT asking for people to hold the line a little longer. Who on here has never driven over the speed limit on a clear road in good conditions? Personally 80mph is as fast as I’d ever go on a motorway but regularly see others zoom past at 100mph. Would either of us be doing those speeds in a bleak winter blizzard though? At the moment, most people are looking out the window and seeing sunshine.

 

[BlueHammer85]

7 weeks till all social distancing measures scrapped !

 

[blue b4 the moon]