Coronavirus (2021) thread

[Tim of the Oak]

You enjoy yourself.

this woman is on tele every day and has been proven to be wrong multiple occasions.

For example, she has twice Claimed that Scotland cannot set their own rules and Westminster is preventing them from implementing travel bans. Both times she was incorrect. Many more examples available.

this is not about her though.

we have a choice:

1. Carry on following doom merchants

2. get real and take advantage of our efficient vaccination programme.

you and all those who liked your posts clearly want to carry on following the doom merchants. You will have the blood of those who suffer early deaths, disease, famine, extreme poverty, depression on your hands.

In a fortnight everything in England will be back open. The places that aren’t currently open will need a couple of weeks to ensure stocks are on site, staffing is roared to provide hospitality etc.

I’m not sure what you are moaning about. Btw The test events that you don’t like in Liverpool were designed to support reopening.

 

[Tim of the Oak]

You can stay away if you want but what you say is not right, MHRA approved Pfizer before AZ.

Part of the reason Pfizer was available first was due to American regulators halting trials for a couple of peole being ill in the test group that had nothing to do with the AZ / Oxford jab. It was fair enough for them to be cautious.

How were you forced to take the AZ / Oxford jab? Also, how old are you mate?

The Pfizer vaccine has a niftier scientific design. What really matters in this pandemic are implementation, outcomes and safety. Both Pfizer and AZ / Oxford have passed the tests with flying colours for the overwhelming majority of people. People under 30 are being offered alternatives to AZ / Oxford that probably shows the rigour of the regulatory regime.

 

[ctwrd]

In a fortnight everything in England will be back open. The places that aren’t currently open will need a couple of weeks to ensure stocks are on site, staffing is roared to provide hospitality etc.

I’m not sure what you are moaning about. Btw The test events that you don’t like in Liverpool were designed to support reopening.

We will not be properly opening until next summer at the earliest.
I have no issue with test events. I actually find it odd that you only needed one lateral flow test before the scouse event but to go to Wembley you needed a pcr as well. Given there was distancing at Wembley and not in scouseland.

I have no issue with the “roadmap” however I do feel like we have missed an opportunity to take advantage of the vaccine success versus other countries and I also am tired of people like Devi being given daily airtime to spout the worst case scenario all the time.

Sage’s modelling of a third wave in the summer killing 15-20k (what the roadmap was based upon)has already been revised based on what has actually happened so far. They have been over exaggerating every time.

over a year in and with the vulnerable vaccinated and thousands more too, it is now far too simplistic to be talking about lockdowns in the context of covid infections alone.

I fail to understand how so many are willing to ignore the negative effects of restrictions like they don’t exist.

 

[lancs blue]

I actually find it odd that you only needed one lateral flow test before the scouse event but to go to Wembley you needed a pcr as well.

The PCR test wasn't needed, it was voluntary.

 

[PoorTom]

Part of the reason Pfizer was available first was due to American regulators halting trials for a couple of peole being ill in the test group that had nothing to do with the AZ / Oxford jab. It was fair enough for them to be cautious.

How were you forced to take the AZ / Oxford jab? Also, how old are you mate?

The Pfizer vaccine has a niftier scientific design. What really matters in this pandemic are implementation, outcomes and safety. Both Pfizer and AZ / Oxford have passed the tests with flying colours for the overwhelming majority of people. People under 30 are being offered alternatives to AZ / Oxford that probably shows the rigour of the regulatory regime.

Their handling of the data was problematic at the time which delayed the approval.

I should not have said "forced" but AZ is the only available vaccine for > 45 year olds now in the UK.

We will see, I am not convinced fully. Surely - if available - Pfizer/Moderna is a better choice. Selection of Pfizer for booster jabs is also telling.

 

[hammocity]

Just a lesser side effect last night. Mrs H went for an outside nosebag at our local last night with friends. She had a bad fall and this morning looks like she's been hit face first by a bus. She wouldn't go to our local hospital because of Covid, spent all night checking on her breathing but appears to be fine this morning.

How many people have had the same attitude towards attending A & E and paid the ultimate price? Brought it home last night, would 100% have made her go to hospital previously.

 

[Tim of the Oak]

We will not be properly opening until next summer at the earliest.
I have no issue with test events. I actually find it odd that you only needed one lateral flow test before the scouse event but to go to Wembley you needed a pcr as well. Given there was distancing at Wembley and not in scouseland.

I have no issue with the “roadmap” however I do feel like we have missed an opportunity to take advantage of the vaccine success versus other countries and I also am tired of people like Devi being given daily airtime to spout the worst case scenario all the time.

Sage’s modelling of a third wave in the summer killing 15-20k (what the roadmap was based upon)has already been revised based on what has actually happened so far. They have been over exaggerating every time.

over a year in and with the vulnerable vaccinated and thousands more too, it is now far too simplistic to be talking about lockdowns in the context of covid infections alone.

I fail to understand how so many are willing to ignore the negative effects of restrictions like they don’t exist.

I am just glad things are improving. Pretty much everything I want to do (possibly bar attend the Champs League Final if we get there) will be accessible from May 17th. Everything in England is pretty much open by then apart from attending mass events.

 

[Tim of the Oak]

Their handling of the data was problematic at the time which delayed the approval.

I should not have said "forced" but AZ is the only available vaccine for > 45 year olds now in the UK.

We will see, I am not convinced fully. Surely - if available - Pfizer/Moderna is a better choice. Selection of Pfizer for booster jabs is also telling.

The main AZ / Oxford issue (affecting the approval timetable) was not being able to to do enough research in the States after the Yanks blocked the research programme (and it was their right to be cautious).

There were issues with data that were secondary but the bigger problem was AZ / Oxford couldn’t explain a case of myelitis because the medical profession doesn’t fully understand the causes of it. My Mum was afflicted by myelitis. Americans wanted AZ / Oxford to explain the impossible (at this time).

I don’t know which vaccine is better. It might be Pfizer but since both are very good, I don’t really care. Younger people might want to weigh up the very small risks of blood clots vs myocardial infarction with their GP. I wouldn’t have a clue where to start with that.

I like the development by BioNtech and Moderna, particularly the potential for further scientific breakthroughs. However, that’s not as important during the current pandemic.

The family of Sarah Gilbert took the Oxford vaccine in the early days of testing. Not like us who have had the vaccine after it passed the MHRA framework with flying colours. The AZ / Oxford work should be respected just very good work with BioNtech / Pfizer

 

[roubaixtuesday]

We will see, I am not convinced fully. Surely - if available - Pfizer/Moderna is a better choice.

Define "better"!

Ease of administrating?
Side effects?
Prevention of death?
Prevention of hospitalisation?
Prevention of all symptoms?
Prevention of transmission?
Effectiveness with first dose?
Longevity of response?
Effectiveness against mutations?
Speed of manufacturing new versions vs mutations?

Many of these are very uncertain as to which is "best" and there are diverse views as to how to rank them.

The majority of vaccines administered in the UK, and I think worldwide too (of those approved by independent regulators at least) have been AZ.

What I think we can say, is that of the approved jabs, easily the "best" is the one you're offered.

 

[PoorTom]

Define "better"!

Ease of administrating?
Side effects?
Prevention of death?
Prevention of hospitalisation?
Prevention of all symptoms?
Prevention of transmission?
Effectiveness with first dose?
Longevity of response?
Effectiveness against mutations?
Speed of manufacturing new versions vs mutations?

Many of these are very uncertain as to which is "best" and there are diverse views as to how to rank them.

The majority of vaccines administered in the UK, and I think worldwide too (of those approved by independent regulators at least) have been AZ.

What I think we can say, is that of the approved jabs, easily the "best" is the one you're offered.

Agreed, that's why I took what has been offered (AZ) but with a heavy heart.

I think in most of the points you listed, mRNA based vaccines are superior.

Anyway, we will see when we start to have yearly refresher doses. I bet they will be mRNA.