Coronavirus (2021) thread

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Not forever no but a degree of restriction socially wasn't that hard to accept a few months ago.

Table service, fewer numbers being allowed inside, timed visits etc helped to keep people focused on being considerate that the virus is still about.

It also put a lot of people off going out altogether which wouldn't have been a bad thing from the scenes I saw whilst in town on Saturday.
Pubs/restaurants etc couldnt/and wont cover costs with limited number and table service and timed visits.
also , yep i was in town saturday, full of dicks, but we have the choice whether we go out or not or just sit in a quiet local… without it imposed on us via a lockdown
 
This is likely. Any society that finds itself obliged to shift or alter its behaviour will create industries as well as destroying others that cannot evolve with the society it serves.

It’s a small example, but our local Sainsbury’s has shuttered its deli and butcher counters. Two factors. One is Covid causing a drop off in footfall and the other is supply issues, so they have responded to changed circumstances.
Responded my laying people off then. Hardly changed for the better
 
The cost to human beings from this is just too much I’m afraid. We might not get that right now or some might not see it but it’s there imo and we will see it down the line.

Humans adapt. Covid will reshape our society to some degree and we will change to fit. The speed with which we produced vaccinations will probably keep these changes to a minimum, indeed the research that went into producing them may accrue longer term benefits.

Necessity is the mother of invention and all that.
 
So many stories from South Africa of people testing positive who are asymptomatic or have just a sniff. There’s simply no way everyone in the UK, particularly the young, is going to test regularly when they know a positive now should see them isolate for the most enjoyable time of the year, and especially when in their eyes they have already had a year of sacrifice. To expect otherwise is naive at best. This wave is already beyond the control of governments, so the next few weeks are going to be like watching children chasing mercury.
 
Pubs/restaurants etc couldnt/and wont cover costs with limited number and table service and timed visits.
also , yep i was in town saturday, full of dicks, but we have the choice whether we go out or not or just sit in a quiet local… without it imposed on us via a lockdown
All pubs, all restaurants? Some may have done better with fewer numbers as the service levels may have increased and as a result their reputation got better. Even the fact that they took it seriously may have enhanced their reputation.

I get your last line but the power of marketing media does influence people, a lot of people and had the message been that we still have to be very, very careful then maybe that would have been a more effective way of reducing the amount that contract covid at any one time.

It seems many are catching it now and many will be off sick from work as a result.
 
Won't having to self isolate for 10 days when displaying symptoms potentially have exactly the same affect on livelihoods, professions and mental health.

Allowing everyone to roam completely free is likely to increase cases and increase isolation time.

I'd say isolation is far worse than having to.put up with a few restrictions like the ones I've mentioned.

Personally other than reduced capacity at City non of the restrictions like face masks, booking tables etc bothered me too much abd in hindsight since contracting the virus I wish they'd have been in place at the weekend.
I think the point is testing, isolating can’t be an indefinite thing.

There has to be a point where people aren’t isolating even if they have it, we aren’t testing kids every few months, releasing daily scores of cases, deaths etc for the media to jump on etc.

It has to come.
 
How everyone feeling after their booster
First 2, Oxford, fuck all issues.

Booster moderna, next day bloody awful. Bottom half of body felt 40 degrees, top half about 20. Lasted about 36 hours. Couldn't lift either arm above shoulder height.
 
So many stories from South Africa of people testing positive who are asymptomatic or have just a sniff. There’s simply no way everyone in the UK, particularly the young, is going to test regularly when they know a positive now should see them isolate for the most enjoyable time of the year, and especially when in their eyes they have already had a year of sacrifice. To expect otherwise is naive at best. This wave is already beyond the control of governments, so the next few weeks are going to be like watching children chasing mercury.
Yep, people aren’t going to want to sit at home for 10 days with nothing more than a sniffle. It’s just not practical to keep doing it.

Everyone I’ll be seeing are at least double and the older ones boosted too so there’s nothing more we can do.
 
Won't having to self isolate for 10 days when displaying symptoms potentially have exactly the same affect on livelihoods, professions and mental health.

Allowing everyone to roam completely free is likely to increase cases and increase isolation time.

I'd say isolation is far worse than having to.put up with a few restrictions like the ones I've mentioned.

Personally other than reduced capacity at City non of the restrictions like face masks, booking tables etc bothered me too much abd in hindsight since contracting the virus I wish they'd have been in place at the weekend.

I think the point is testing, isolating can’t be an indefinite thing.

There has to be a point where people aren’t isolating even if they have it, we aren’t testing kids every few months, releasing daily scores of cases, deaths etc for the media to jump on etc.

It has to come.
Anything that prevents a long isolation period would be my preferred option.

The negative affects of self isolation for many are worse than the social restrictions put on people.
 
Pubs/restaurants etc couldnt/and wont cover costs with limited number and table service and timed visits.
also , yep i was in town saturday, full of dicks, but we have the choice whether we go out or not or just sit in a quiet local… without it imposed on us via a lockdown

Pretty much every every place I’ve been over the last 5 months has time limits in still anyways. Although not limited attendance.
 
I understand what people are saying about not wanting a lockdown, but do people not think there should be some collective social responsibility? I mean, is it really a good idea for people to get together in large numbers indoors?

People seem to be slagging Chris Whitty off, but he talked a lot of sense tonight. With the kind of case numbers we COULD be seeing, I think everybody doing their best to ensure that the government don’t have to force restrictions on us is the best policy.

Sadly, I have a lot less faith in the public than the government do.
 
Pretty much every every place I’ve been over the last 5 months has time limits in still anyways. Although not limited attendance.
More so when linked to limited capacity. Yes of course most restaurants give u a time limit. But couple it with limited capacity and not having walk ins and it doesnt pay.

i do a lot of work with pubs and this is what the landlords tell me.

last time was needs must. But itll send a lot under if it comes in again
 
Did anyone see dispatches? Apparently Pfizer costs 80p per dose to make and we’re currently paying them £22 per dose. That’s the highest reported price paid by any government in the world. £2.6 billion that is. No wonder they’re talking about a 4th dose!

Of course, we binned off AZ who were selling to us at cost price…
 
I understand what people are saying about not wanting a lockdown, but do people not think there should be some collective social responsibility? I mean, is it really a good idea for people to get together in large numbers indoors?

People seem to be slagging Chris Whitty off, but he talked a lot of sense tonight. With the kind of case numbers we COULD be seeing, I think everybody doing their best to ensure that the government don’t have to force restrictions on us is the best policy.

Sadly, I have a lot less faith in the public than the government do.
It’ll make no difference whatsoever. Omicron is here and spreading like wildfire. It’ll be everywhere this time next week, unless they’ve got it wrong.
 
It’ll make no difference whatsoever. Omicron is here and spreading like wildfire. It’ll be everywhere this time next week, unless they’ve got it wrong.
It would make a difference if people reigned it in, it won’t make a difference if people carry on like there’s nothing wrong. This is the main problem and has been throughout the pandemic.
 
I understand what people are saying about not wanting a lockdown, but do people not think there should be some collective social responsibility? I mean, is it really a good idea for people to get together in large numbers indoors?

People seem to be slagging Chris Whitty off, but he talked a lot of sense tonight. With the kind of case numbers we COULD be seeing, I think everybody doing their best to ensure that the government don’t have to force restrictions on us is the best policy.

Sadly, I have a lot less faith in the public than the government do.
This Government would be loathed to put the country in lockdown before Christmas. It would be suicide, politically speaking, and I’m unconvinced it would now make a blind bit of difference. They’re only prolonging not preventing anything at this point, so we’ll see more window dressing to give the impression that we’re in control, but the reality is that nature has the upper hand over all of us.
 
Did anyone see dispatches? Apparently Pfizer costs 80p per dose to make and we’re currently paying them £22 per dose. That’s the highest reported price paid by any government in the world. £2.6 billion that is. No wonder they’re talking about a 4th dose!

Of course, we binned off AZ who were selling to us at cost price…

We’re paying top whack because we didn’t haggle over the price. Our reasoning was to get the jump on everyone else, ie the EU who were haggling and then emerge from the pandemic and get the economy up and running before everyone else

To be fair, I could see the reasoning at the time, but it has come back to bite us.
 
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