Coronavirus (2021) thread

[ayrshire_blue]

Edit - unsure what impact this has on AZ vaccine efficacy against one of the Indian variants which is circulating in the UK. If its on par with the SA does this make it less effective? The 'live virus' bit has thrown me, as I had initially assumed that's what the AZ vaccine was but perhaps not, @roubaixtuesday ?

This isn't the dominant indian variant in the UK, as yet, but it is here too.

 

[roubaixtuesday]

But arn't hospitalisations and deaths still falling. Ie the current vaccines are working

Yes, against falling or at worst static cases.

Now, if those cases go up exponentially...

I'm not at all saying this will happen, or that it's even likely - we don't have the information to judge. Just that we need to be ready to respond in case it does.

 

[unicorn]

But aren't hospitalisations and deaths still falling. Ie the current vaccines are working. Sure their may be a rise in infections for those unvaccinated but as this is largely the age groups that don't get seriously ill or die so surely the concern should not be anywhere near as great as before vaccination of the majority that has taken place?

I agree with the need for caution. I'll have had my second vaccine in 3 weeks but I'll still be cautious about larger packed venues like gigs and football unless they implement access restrictions (e.g. negative tests).

However, once 17th May has come and gone I think most people will struggle to accept the next step on 21 June doesn't happen on the basis of a future threat, given hospitalisations and deaths likely to be at current low levels when the Government has to make that judgement and c.40 million will have had first jab.

That ill-advised use of "irreversible" may come back to haunt us.

 

[PannickAtTheDisco]

it's certainly spreading through those populations. Indian manager and her family knocked out of work this week with it, maybe we need localised lockdowns on these communities to stop the spread with enhanced police and army presence to try and quash it as it appears super-spreadable and clearly those communities aren't being responsible with travel and mixing knowing the danger and putting the rest at risk.

Government allowing these travel corridors have even more to answer for. Shameful. Still nowhere near getting a fucking vaccine and being put in danger again for no fucking reason. Even with mild illness as proven by Worsley there's no guarantee of not getting long covid or serious long-term illness or effects from it just being sat in your system. Playing with the future of the country by not taking simple restrictions seriously and hurrying up with vaccines for those who are going to be paying for this for the next half century.

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

Yes, against falling or at worst static cases.

Now, if those cases go up exponentially...

I'm not at all saying this will happen, or that it's even likely - we don't have the information to judge. Just that we need to be ready to respond in case it does.

Depends what the significant hospitalisation and death numbers you are referring to are? Isn't the risk of hospitalisation for under thirties something like 0.01 % and deaths significantly lower still? I could very well be wrong on those stats?

 

[Healdplace]

Yes, against falling or at worst static cases.

Now, if those cases go up exponentially...

I'm not at all saying this will happen, or that it's even likely - we don't have the information to judge. Just that we need to be ready to respond in case it does.

The hospital numbers are still falling but have noticeably slowed in the last couple of weeks as the nightly reports I post show. Inevitable at very small numbers just because of statistics. Hard to know how much is just numbers and how much a real slowing down.

Over the past 4 weekends (Sat/Sun/Mon data) in England the following occurred:

Wk and Falls of Patients and Ventilators / Totals at end point

Wk 1 112 patients / 7 Ventilators / 1732 & 291

Wk 2 85 patients / 13 Ventilators / 1393 & 208

Wk 3 65 patients / 2 Ventilators / 1096 & 168

Wk 4 29 patients / 10 Ventilators / 944 & 135

 

[Bluemoon dan]

I think the Government need to be very careful now. Not just in terms of what happens next but in how what happens is reported. There's obviously been increases in attacks on Chinese people after Covid was referred to as the 'China virus'. It doesn't take a huge jump in imagination to work out what will happen next if lockdown is extended because of the 'Indian variant' does it?

 

[Zabaleta5]

Has anybody had the AZ jab and not been ill after it? Seems everybody I know had the side effects

I have had both AZ jabs, with no side effects

 

[Healdplace]

Wales data

STILL DOING REALLY WELL HERE

1 death - was 1 last week

30 cases - was 65 last week

0.6% positivity - was 1.0% last week

This is the lowest daily case number from Wales in nearly 9 months.

Remember they have vaccinated the highest percentage of their population and their numbers are easily the best of the four nations. Unlikely to be a coincidence.

 

[Healdplace]

I have had both AZ jabs, with no side effects

From the replies on here it looks as if Nick has been very unlucky, as were his friends. Almost all of us replying in the past 24 hours on here are saying the same thing. No significant effects.