At the end of the day it is a shit show. But simply doing as you please because the Government did isn't going to help things.The only way they can introduce an effective lockdown is if Boris Johnson resigns.
I’m fully jabbed and have complied with rules but there’s an inescapable problem here which is people will not take orders from “leaders” who don’t comply themselves.
We’re told to trust the experts, but then we see the experts like Neil Ferguson breaking lockdown rules and we see politicians not just breaking rules but basically riding roughshod over them countless times through piss ups in Westminster.
I completely understand the need to contain this virus but the situation is now untenable in terms of the general population being convinced to curtail their own lives by people who refuse to curtail their own.
They’re so out of touch and arrogant that they just can’t understand the feelings of the general public (as an example see the advice this week for people to prioritise things that really matter and avoid going to football matches).
They’re so out of touch that they genuinely think they can lock people down again but they’re in for a shock because people simply won’t do it. If there is widespread refusal to comply then they’re going to have to adopt a very different approach - whether that’s mandated jabs at one extreme or just get on with life at the other.
At the end of the day it is a shit show. But simply doing as you please because the Government did isn't going to help things.
Yes, Boris et al have a lot to answer for but when you have Joe public making their own decisions on how to combat the pandemic, then we have truly lost it.
At this point widespread breaking of rules would be expected, but ultimately widespread breaking of rules is you going to your mate Dave's. Offices, schools, pubs, clubs, hospitality etc would still reduce social contacts by some margin. If you work in an office with 20 people, you'd have to visit them individually for breakfast, lunch and dinner to reproduce the same effect. Not saying it's the right or wrong response, but people breaking the rules will be neither here nor there in the grand scheme of things.The only way they can introduce an effective lockdown is if Boris Johnson resigns.
I’m fully jabbed and have complied with rules but there’s an inescapable problem here which is people will not take orders from “leaders” who don’t comply themselves.
We’re told to trust the experts, but then we see the experts like Neil Ferguson breaking lockdown rules and we see politicians not just breaking rules but basically riding roughshod over them countless times through piss ups in Westminster.
I completely understand the need to contain this virus but the situation is now untenable in terms of the general population being convinced to curtail their own lives by people who refuse to curtail their own.
They’re so out of touch and arrogant that they just can’t understand the feelings of the general public (as an example see the advice this week for people to prioritise things that really matter and avoid going to football matches).
They’re so out of touch that they genuinely think they can lock people down again but they’re in for a shock because people simply won’t do it. If there is widespread refusal to comply then they’re going to have to adopt a very different approach - whether that’s mandated jabs at one extreme or just get on with life at the other.
So if the modelers have done their usual then it will be about a 1000 a day.Sage predicting 3000 hospital admissions a day. A little bit down on their best case autumn scenario of 2000 to 7000 a day which never materilised I see.
At this point widespread breaking of rules would be expected, but ultimately widespread breaking of rules is you going to your mate Dave's. Offices, schools, pubs, clubs, hospitality etc would still reduce social contacts by some margin. If you work in an office with 20 people, you'd have to visit them individually for breakfast, lunch and dinner to reproduce the same effect. Not saying it's the right or wrong response, but people breaking the rules will be neither here nor there in the grand scheme of things.
Totally disagree as the figures on the continent and the resulting restrictions prove.Nail on head
Yes bang on, i think they do. And enjoy the attention tooThen you are talking about different things. We are all of us drawn to negative stories, part of our instinct to recognise danger so as to be able to survive.
What you seem to be objecting to is posters who appear to you to be only highlighting stories/data that is negative and posting it on here, and you are then suggesting that they are doing so deliberately and revelling in the discomfort that creates.
Nothing to do with first doses. It’s down to where you have it.Daft question.
Just booked my booster. My first two jabs were Pfizer. Is the booster a different manufacturer, or does it not matter?
I was kind of expecting there to be a question of which vaccine I'd been given.
Nothing to do with first doses. It’s down to where you have it.
No worries. Hope the queues aren’t too long.Many thanks.
Had mine in my arm.Nothing to do with first doses. It’s down to where you have it.
Are we allowed to have a bit of armless fun on this thread?Had mine in my arm.
Had mine in Blackpool?Had mine in my arm.
We have to mate,going under otherwise :-)Are we allowed to have a bit of armless fun on this thread?
Yes, though I get the sense that they've become a bit slacker, understandably so. My hope is we can get out of this with a light circuit breaker until the first week of Jan, maybe push schools and unis back a week, with table service in pubs. Given most people tend to hibernate for the first week of Jan anyway it might not be materially that much of a difference. I do feel for clubs, though, they're such an important part of Manchester and have got an absolute kicking.yeah it’s a fair point. Also worth considering though that in public / work spaces there are covid safety measures in place - people will now be meeting in places where there aren’t.
Sure it wasn’t heroin?Had mine in Blackpool?