Coronavirus (2021) thread

[RobMCFC]

But is south Africa they have seen the results and we are getting the results here now, if ur vaccinated there is very little chance of you becoming severely ill, if I ran a pub or restaurant or a shop in the city or cafe, I'd be in despair now I really would

Yes the results from South Africa are encouraging. But people would rightly argue that it doesn't necessarily translate to this country for a number of reasons. It may do, but we don't know.

 

[Barcon]

Thanks for the replies Blues.

 

[blueparrot]

I think it is time for a legitmate debate about the future of health care. Despite the nostalgia, the NHS is not "the best health system in the world." None of the deflection tactics, getting people to bang pots and pans etc etc, alters the statistics.I support the NHS but it must be totally modernised and reformed.

The health service has been run for years at it's maximum ,in winter. With no slack any health crisis or pandemic was always going to cause a crisis. We need to increase capacity once this is over one way or another. Starting with a big increase in capacity of social care even community hospitals to prevent bed blocking. It will need funding the debate is how.

 

[Kippax1973]

Yes the results from South Africa are encouraging. But people would rightly argue that it doesn't necessarily translate to this country for a number of reasons. It may do, but we don't know.

But you cant keep doing this every time, you know that.
So we either live with it and just accept that a few will suffer, or we carry on down this road and millions and I mean millions will suffer long term.
I know which road I want

 

[grunge]

But you cant keep doing this every time, you know that.
So we either live with it and just accept that a few will suffer, or we carry on down this road and millions and I mean millions will suffer long term.
I know which road I want

the Lockdowns were to stop the NHS getting over run and that will be the same for any future lockdowns, What do you think happens if the NHS gets over run?

 

[Johnny Mars Bar]

I think it is time for a legitmate debate about the future of health care. Despite the nostalgia, the NHS is not "the best health system in the world." None of the deflection tactics, getting people to bang pots and pans etc etc, alters the statistics.I support the NHS but it must be totally modernised and reformed.

The NHS has been a heap of shit for as long as I can remember.

I know we’re obliged in this country to hail it as the best thing on the planet but it really isn’t.

 

[Bluewonder]

So you truly believe that the government want to cause a recession for no good reason?

Where have I said that?

 

[Bluewonder]

Out of curiosity, What do you personally think will happen if the NHS gets overrun?

1000s extra people will die.

 

[RobMCFC]

But you cant keep doing this every time, you know that.
So we either live with it and just accept that a few will suffer, or we carry on down this road and millions and I mean millions will suffer long term.
I know which road I want

Fair enough, we all have our opinions.

I'd rather the country shut down for 3 weeks than watch people dying in the streets. I'm not saying that will happen, but a short-term crisis where people requiring oxygen may not get it is a very real possibility ** IF ** this variant affects people badly enough.

Still, if you'd rather be able to nip out for a pie and a pint, you may have a different viewpoint.

Like I said, watch the Omicron case numbers this week. If they aren't big by the end of this week then we'll have nothing to worry about.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

So you truly believe that the government want to cause a recession for no good reason?

Boris did say “fuck business” to be fair.

 

[RobMCFC]

Where have I said that?

It was the second of the two options you posted, wasn't it?

 

[youngbob]

Kite flying to see how it polls.

 

[blueparrot]

I honestly must be missing the point here.
The new strain is not causing over concern in people getting extremely ill or been rushed into hospital.
Are we in effect shielding the unvaccinated?
Because if we are this is absolutely stupid now, why cause people all this financial pain.
If everyone is getting it well so what? If its not causing any undue harm to many, why stop everything again.
I for 1 am totally pissed of with it now

We are shielding hospitals nothing more. We have 3 unknowns
How widespread will this become.
How many will be hospitalised
How many staff will hospitals lose to illness.
The government have to work out with those unknown how best to make sure the NHS isn't overwhelmed. They may get it wrong by being to cautious them may get it wrong by not being cautious enough. It's a difficult balancing act with the unknowns. What we don't want is decisions based on Johnsons party considerations. (political party not Christmas parties)

 

[grunge]

1000s extra people will die.

So your suggesting we should let the NHS get over run and let thousands ( it would me more, probably in the thousands daily ) die rather than lockdown if it turns out to be 100% needed?

 

[Blue Maverick]

The NHS has been a heap of shit for as long as I can remember.

I know we’re obliged in this country to hail it as the best thing on the planet but it really isn’t.

It’s because it’s been used the wrong way, it was setup for emergency care and the after care plus life saving operations, it used for IVF, sex changes and any number of things that really should be privately funded. Why should we have charities collecting for cancer treatment and respite homes when someone else is getting tens of thousands to produce a child or get a pair of tits. Mis management and companies charging a fortune for medicines which don’t cost a fortune is where it’s all gone wrong. Couple that with everyone who stubs a toe or traps their finger entitled to an ambulance and you can see why it’s not fit for purpose. Just look at what happened during the first lockdown and see how many people didn’t actually need hospital and just got on with it. We have only ourselves to blame with the self entitled society we have created.
Bah humbug.

 

[Gabriel]

Yes the results from South Africa are encouraging. But people would rightly argue that it doesn't necessarily translate to this country for a number of reasons. It may do, but we don't know.

That’s true and one reason why we should also be paying attention to the situation in Denmark. An interesting report from the Irish Times.

“They are about a week ahead of us in terms of Omicron and, when you look at their numbers, they are alarming. The day before yesterday they had 11,000 cases... two weeks ago, they had about 7-8,000 cases a day.

“Normally, two weeks later, you expect that to translate into hospital admissions. Yesterday, they had an additional 15 hospitalisations…”

“So, we just need to take a breath and see what unfolds over the next week to 10 days in Denmark.”

 

[Kippax1973]

the Lockdowns were to stop the NHS getting over run and that will be the same for any future lockdowns, What do you think happens if the NHS gets over run?

Again I will say, the only way I can see the NHS being "overrun" is by the unvaccinated becoming seriously ill, well I know this is harsh, but if you have chose not to receive the vaccine, then I personally think you have then given up your right to be treated for it on the nhs

 

[Bluewonder]

So your suggesting we should let the NHS get over run and let thousands ( it would me more, probably in the thousands daily ) die rather than lockdown if it turns out to be 100% needed?

It wouldn't be 1000s daily it would be 1000s. And no, we shouldn't spend £10bn per week to save 1000s of lives.

 

[grunge]

Again I will say, the only way I can see the NHS being "overrun" is by the unvaccinated becoming seriously ill, well I know this is harsh, but if you have chose not to receive the vaccine, then I personally think you have then given up your right to be treated for it on the nhs

But thats not the world we live in.

 

[Kippax1973]

It’s because it’s been used the wrong way, it was setup for emergency care and the after care plus life saving operations, it used for IVF, sex changes and any number of things that really should be privately funded. Why should we have charities collecting for cancer treatment and respite homes when someone else is getting tens of thousands to produce a child or get a pair of tits. Mis management and companies charging a fortune for medicines which don’t cost a fortune is where it’s all gone wrong. Couple that with everyone who stubs a toe or traps their finger entitled to an ambulance and you can see why it’s not fit for purpose. Just look at what happened during the first lockdown and see how many people didn’t actually need hospital and just got on with it. We have only ourselves to blame with the self entitled society we have created.
Bah humbug.

And the fact that approximately 30 years ago the nations population stood at around 56 million, now it currently stands at approx 72 million,, so its unsustainable