Coronavirus (2021) thread

[VOOMER]

We are a nation of wimps

 

[Manc in London]

its pretty much the dominant strain everywhere now ( assuming this graph is what it said it was. got it from a new site )

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Ah. That gives a good indication. Thank you.

 

[Elbow beards]

That's a bit harsh.

It's still an extra risk and unfortunately, the scientists envisage there will be at least 9 healthy children who would die as a result of taking the vaccine. Will dozens more develop potentially life-changing side effects? That's not something we should take lightly!

The overall risk of a child dying from COVID is incredibly small, so it is a moral quandary.

I don't feel good about it. I'm not saying I wouldn't get my child (if I had one) vaccinated, just that I'm unsure.

Sorry if it came across harsh, I just mean you have to way up odds, and they are extremely large odds as to not even matter.

 

[grunge]

When you look at India and the daily figures something doesn't add up. Runs riot here but a country with over 1 billion population only has 67k cases a day, our offshore workers have gone back into the office in Bangalore.

there are significant Tracking limitations in India. multiply everything up by a lot. going by number of excess cremations they were at 25-50k covid deaths a day at the peek of there spike when they were reporting about 4k deaths officially.

its also possible its burned its self out in the bigger cities.

 

[Healdplace]

Wales data:

0 deaths - was 1 last week

140 cases - was 113 last week (think Delta has put paid to Wales's run of sub 100 days for a while)

1.2% positivity - was 1.0% last week

44 Patients - up 3 on day - was 39 last week

2 ventilated - up 1 on day - was 3 last week

 

[shemnel]

Yes, indeed as you see I agree that one by one is easier to control than multipke areas at once. Though the advantage is NW is one of the most fertile grounds for Delta because of demographics. So it helps a lot to get that under control of we can.

what does that sentence mean?

 

[Healdplace]

Wales top boroughs are

1 Conwy (Llandudno etc) POP 68

2 Denbighshire (Rhyl etc) POP 56

3 Flintshire (Deeside etc) POP 34

4 Wrexham POP 32

Spot the common denominator here.

All popular places to visit from North West or locations where people live/work and travel to and from daily,

 

[Gremlin]

How many of them children were fit and healthy and how many we not?

I have no idea but its the same proportion of fit/unfit kids when looking at the risk of dying from vaccination (because its the same kids). Although you can actually improve things whereby you only give the vaccination to fit and healthly kids (which is vast majority) whereas the COVID infections will not be so selective - it will infect whoever it can. In any event, in the face of it you look to be weighing up a 1 in 1 million chance of dying to avoid a 3 in 1 million chance of dying (plus all the wider societal benefits from herd immunity). Both vanishingly small but worth doing.

 

[Scottyboi]

I have no idea but its the same proportion of fit/unfit kids when looking at the risk of dying from vaccination (because its the same kids). Although you can actually improve things whereby you only give the vaccination to fit and healthly kids (which is vast majority) whereas the COVID infections will not be so selective - it will infect whoever it can. In any event, in the face of it you look to be weighing up a 1 in 1 million chance of dying to avoid a 3 in 1 million chance of dying (plus all the wider societal benefits from herd immunity). Both vanishingly small but worth doing.

I will go with which ever one has better odds for my children regardless of wider societal benefits.

 

[Healdplace]

what does that sentence mean?

Sorry juggling three things at once this morning.

I mean that if we can control an area like the NW which is one of the biggest regions anyhow and densely populated and has communities living close together and other demograhics that seem to fit the spread it is a good start.

The NW has pockets of lower vaccination numbers in cities like Manchester driven by those demograhics - such as many young people and students who are the focus of this outbreak now.

So controlling first what likely will be one of the biggest problem areas before it spreads more widely gives us a foot up in the fight that will quickly become multi regional given how it is spreading.

And it seems likely that if we can get control in what would be antipcipated to be one of the most difficult areas ro control (as the NW has been in and out of restrictions almost permanently for 15 months now - much more than anywhere else) it is a good test bed for other regions like the South West that ought not to be so hard to bring under control.

You would hope that what worked in Bolton will work in Bodmin.