Coronavirus (2021) thread

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Then you've changed your argument. The risk is reduced now but only because of massive effort in vaccinating people and in quarantining people.

And you can't just forget about it because it keeps changing hence over time you will lose some immunity.
Yes and we all know how you will "raise" your immunity, by spending between 50 to 100 on a booster jab each year, Mark my words it's coming,
And no I've not changed my argument at all, if smoking and alcohol kill far more people than covid, then ban it,, it would be a shit life for most, but hey ho a
 
So please tell me this then, how long do we go on collecting data at what point do we tell the unfortunate ones who's lives have been compleatly ruined through covid, ie... Money mental health, that it's OK you can come out now and live normally again?.... 1 year more.. 5 more... 10... 15... Go on tell me

When the data suggests the NHS and ICU units will not be overwhelmed- at the moment we’re on track but it’s still a waiting game.
In the meantime , we need as many people jabbed and hopefully more preventative measures against Covid and we can get back to norm fully. As long we can not overwhelm the NHS.

My guess at the moments is all restrictions lifted 19th July - but possibly a very mild lockdown later in the year. Pure guesswork.

do take note that it’s an actual Pandemic and millions have lost there lives to this virus. Of course, people’s mental health and livelihoods are equally as important- but it’s the mother of all balancing acts and there’s no easy fix.
 
When the data suggests the NHS and ICU units will not be overwhelmed- at the moment we’re on track but it’s still a waiting game.
In the meantime , we need as many people jabbed and hopefully more preventative measures against Covid and we can get back to norm fully. As long we can not overwhelm the NHS.

My guess at the moments is all restrictions lifted 19th July - but possibly a very mild lockdown later in the year. Pure guesswork.

do take note that it’s an actual Pandemic and millions have lost there lives to this virus. Of course, people’s mental health and livelihoods are equally as important- but it’s the mother of all balancing acts and there’s no easy fix.
For the most part of that I do agree, but alcohol and smoking effect millions of lives across the world to. As I said for my ills I'm a smoker and a drinker, so I take my risks.
But if the risks are that great that 1 will get you in the end, then it's surly a similar argument

But you know as well as I do the tax and wealth created of alcohol and cigarettes is far far to big to give up.

If I'm honest I'm just getting a little pissed of at the moment and ranting I suppose, but it's the younger 1s I'm feeling sorry for in all this to, not been able to experience life the way me you and everyone else 30 plus did,
I just think this must be the end game now with the vaccines.
Surly the end of the road has been reached?

P. S.,, just done a quick google,
Total taxes through smoking raised 9.26 billion in taxes.
Smoking is estimated to cost the NHS 5 billion
Alcohol raised 12 billion in taxes.
Cost to the NHS 3.5 billion

Just saying
 
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When the data suggests the NHS and ICU units will not be overwhelmed- at the moment we’re on track but it’s still a waiting game.
In the meantime , we need as many people jabbed and hopefully more preventative measures against Covid and we can get back to norm fully. As long we can not overwhelm the NHS.

My guess at the moments is all restrictions lifted 19th July - but possibly a very mild lockdown later in the year. Pure guesswork.

do take note that it’s an actual Pandemic and millions have lost there lives to this virus. Of course, people’s mental health and livelihoods are equally as important- but it’s the mother of all balancing acts and there’s no easy fix.
when the data suggests nhs won’t be overwhelmed? (Like it doesn’t already)
Small lockdown later in the year? Dear god.
 
Had my first jab 2 months ago - I'm 47

Just been to Leeds to visit mates at the weekend and now just tested positive for covid

Feel like shit - hot and cold - headache - sore throat
 
nothing was rushed tho, 40 odd vaccines were started, they went through all the same tests as any other, and is the most scrutinised set of vaccines in history in terms of results of those trials/tests and administering effects. only 5 or 6 vaccines came out the other end of those trials for one reason or another.

I doubt we'll hit 90%, we're at 81% single dose now. if we hit %90 thats good going.

as for winter, there's only been 1 person mention anything about a potential lockdown in winter so I wouldn't take any of that too seriously just yet.

they will probably blitz out as many flu jabs soon ( like they did last year ) as well to make sure the system isn't overloaded, well as much as we can.
Fully agree, I heard a scientist on Jeremy Vine's show say private companies could manufacture the Covid vaccine if they have the formula, it's not difficult at all. However they will want revenue out of it, hopefully this will happen and pharmacies can provide the service of vaccinating people on a chargeable basis. Last year the pneumonia jab (which I had for free at my docs) at Cohen's chemist was £30, the flu jab was £15.

I like many others would be more than happy to take the strain off the NHS and pay to have the flu and Covid jabs privately, if pitched around £30 I'm sure this would be within a lot of people's budget and really help the NHS.
 
Had my first jab 2 months ago - I'm 47

Just been to Leeds to visit mates at the weekend and now just tested positive for covid

Feel like shit - hot and cold - headache - sore throat
Mate 52, double jabbed, caught it a couple of weeks ago, his 19 year old twin son (not jabbed) got it and ended up in hospital unable to breathe properly, thankfully both now ok. The other 19 year old twin and his wife from the same household were negative. A bit of encouragement for you, may mate had similar to you but the symptoms only lasted 2 days, hopefully you're the same.
 

Israel faces Covid surge as virus circulates even among vaccinated​

Delta variant blamed after clusters identified around schools, with health ministry calling for inoculation of children as young as 12
No surprise. The same is happening here.
 
So again I will ask the question at what point do we say, right Uve had your jabs that takes the risk down considerably, now its over to you to decide for yourselfs what risks to take?
The actual answer to that question is probably:
1. When sufficient over 45s have been double vaccinated for 3 weeks. and
2. When hospitalisations are proven not to overwhelm the NHS.
The mortality risk at that point will be lower than for non flu circulating viruses that trigger pneumonia in older folks.
The data is looking rather good at the moment for July 19th lifting.
Cases are irrelevant. Only serious illness and deaths matter.
 
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