Coronavirus (2021) thread

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The scare stories over AZ were terribly handled as they have caused vaccine hesitancy in the ones elligible for it and shortages in those who are not.

THat BBC Horizon feature length documentary this week on the race to make the vaccines will not have helped as it was edited to leave the message about AZ as more or less saying one country has stopped using it because they found it just does not work.

This is obviously nonsense or the UK would be in a giant hole right now given the amount of AZ we have administered often to the most vulnerable and Delta rising everywhere.

But it seems bizarre that they let the BBC create that impression again. I have not seen any comment on it anywhere. I expected the programme to sign off with the good news proving that rejection of AZ was wrong via real life numbersn - but - unless I fell asleep and missed it - they seemed not to do.
 
Wales data:

1 death - was 0 last week

416 cases - was 176 last week

2.5% positivity - was 1.3% last week


Sadly this is not two days data - it is just from Frday.

So a more than doubling in the week as Delta now colonises Wales - a lot of it coming in from NW England.

Tomorrow WILL be two days data for all this weekend. I fear it will not be pretty.
 
By the way Andrew Marr on his show this morning revealed that despite being double jabbed some time ago he was off last week not for a break but because he had Covid.

He says he caught it when covering the global summit in Cornwall.

He also said it made him quite sick but he was not ill enough to go into hospital.

He got double jabbed early I assume due to his vulnerability after his stroke.

So this is kind of good news. Especially as he was well enough to return to work after just a few days.

Suggests again the vaccines work in doing what they are supposed to do - even if statistically that looks like a vaccine failure. It is not if it actually saved his life.
 
Thought it was interesting that Andy Marr reported his own condition on his programme this morning; he’d been double vaccinated but caught Covid, he believes when reporting the G7 in Cornwall, and its effects floored him last week, which in turn shattered his sense of having vaccine omnipotence.
 
Healdplace said:
By the way Andrrw Marr this moring revealed that despite being double jabbed some time ago he was off last week not for a break but because he had Covid.

He says he caught it when covering the global summit in Cornwall.

He also said it made him quite sick but he was not ill enough to go into hospital.

He got double jabbed early I assume due to his vulnerabilityafter his stroke.

So this is kind of good news. Especially as he was well enough to return to work after just afew days.

Suggests again the vaccines work in doing what they are supposed to do - even if statistically that looks like a vaccine failure. It is not if it actually saved his life.
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yep good news and it’s weird how it read like he thought getting double jabs thinking he won’t get it or can get it! Vaccine doesn’t prevent you getting it it prevents you going into hospital..
 
waspish said:
yep good news and it’s weird how it read like he thought getting double jabs thinking he won’t get it or can get it! Vaccine doesn’t prevent you getting it it prevents you going into hospital..
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I think what had surprised Marr was that the impact of getting it was clearly much more severe than he had anticipated. It may not have led to his hospitalization, but it had knocked him for six. Professor Horby agreed that the messaging could perhaps be clearer so that the vaccinated did not become complacent.
 
waspish said:
yep good news and it’s weird how it read like he thought getting double jabs thinking he won’t get it or can get it! Vaccine doesn’t prevent you getting it it prevents you going into hospital..
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Exactly - always has been. Covid is an endemic disease. We are not eradicating it any time soon if ever. Seems like flu you can get it repeatedly too.

So the BEST thing we can do is create ways to make it into a moderate at worst illness that leads to a few days at home off work not weeks in icu.

That is the reality I suspect many people still do not really understand. Vaccines are not magic, But they get sold as if they are to ensure most people take them as this is a horrible disease.

The vaccine data that matters as revealed from the current UK numbers is far and away the reason we are riding out what would be a tragic Summer wave like it was in India without them.

After one dose Pfizer has a 94% reduction NOT in you catching Covid but in preventing hospitalisation if you do. It only rises to 96% after both doses.

AZ is different - much lower (though still 71 %) after one dose - but not far behind up to 92% after both doses

These have resulted in an increasing fall off of hospital numbers as we jab more. We are not going to have thosands in hospital and on ventilators this time around it is starting to look safe to predict. And the mortality rate from Covid - which will never be zero at any age - has fallen a lot too. Even with a more virulent spreading version,

The reason is very simply that we got one thing right and bet on the vaccines in a bigger way than most countries did up front. And they paid off and are stopping a catastrophe unfolding right now.
 
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But whilst all that is true the overwheming message has to be that we MUST rapidly speed up vaccinations around the world - not just because it is the right thing to do - but becaue if we do not there is always a chance another variant less easily tamed will emerge and then we could all be back to square one.

There is too little being done and words are not going to cut it. Only action will now. And that is needed fast. The Summit was an opportunity missed but ended up, as uaual, with rich nations trying to look good by making promises then doing little to make them happen yesterday instead of some vague point in the future after the photo op was over.
 
Healdplace said:
By the way Andrew Marr on his show this morning revealed that despite being double jabbed some time ago he was off last week not for a break but because he had Covid.

He says he caught it when covering the global summit in Cornwall.

He also said it made him quite sick but he was not ill enough to go into hospital.

He got double jabbed early I assume due to his vulnerability after his stroke.

So this is kind of good news. Especially as he was well enough to return to work after just a few days.

Suggests again the vaccines work in doing what they are supposed to do - even if statistically that looks like a vaccine failure. It is not if it actually saved his life.
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Does that mean he's now more protected after 2 jabs and covid giving him more antibodies?
 
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