Coronavirus (2021) thread

[west didsblue]

It certainly does. More importantly we are clearly getting to the point where we NEED TO let it rip through our schools to give our kids immunity to fight the next variant and the variants after that.
If you haven't already noticed, With each new variant, the virus is becoming more infectious with worse symptoms for younger and younger age cohorts.
Currently the vast majority of children will barely get ill, we need to make sure that continues to be the case and vaccinating kids with new vaccines that haven't been used for a long time isn't really the world' greatest idea.

I'm not sure that getting one variant of it is providing much immunity from the next one. I know it's a small sample size (one person) but since my son had his first jab six weeks ago he's caught it twice. Barely noticed it the first time but had a positive test result. After 3 weeks clear he's just caught it again along with three of his mates and this time I assume it's the delta variant. Feels a lot rougher this time, thankfully still not serious but it seems to illustrate the point that letting it rip might not provide the benefits you might think. He's due his second jab in a couple of weeks so hopefully that will protect him a bit more, but it seems a single jab does little to prevent you catching the latest variants but hopefully mitigates the effects.

 

[Nebuchadnezzar]

The footage of those two people harassing Whitty is pretty grim, but this is more disturbing. A group of protestors outside his house chanting "murderer" and "traitor". What the fuck is wrong with these people?!

People with jobs/lives simply don't have time to do this, do they....?

 

[Healdplace]

Btw did anyone notice that the Zoe prediction for cases that I posted early afternoon yesterday after it was released - 22, 874 - proved the most accurate yet. The actual number reported by Gov UK several hours later was 22, 868.

 

[west didsblue]

Btw did anyone notice that the Zoe prediction for cases that I posted early afternoon yesterday after it was released - 22, 874 - proved the most accurate yet. The actual number reported by Gov UK several hours later was 22, 868.

Still 6 out. Could do better ;-)

 

[Healdplace]

I'm not sure that getting one variant of it is providing much immunity from the next one. I know it's a small sample size (one person) but since my son had his first jab six weeks ago he's caught it twice. Barely noticed it the first time but had a positive test result. After 3 weeks clear he's just caught it again along with three of his mates and this time I assume it's the delta variant. Feels a lot rougher this time, thankfully still not serious but it seems to illustrate the point that letting it rip might not provide the benefits you might think. He's due his second jab in a couple of weeks so hopefully that will protect him a bit more, but it seems a single jab does little to prevent you catching the latest variants but hopefully mitigates the effects.

The ONS just released a study into reinfection.

Between 26 April and 5 June as Delta was rapidly replacing everything else in UK they found the reinfection risk was very low.

133 identified reinfections from 17, 434 people in the study. If I understood the numbers right.

Will let one of the real experts in here comment on the reliability of that data. And its meaning.

But it seemed to say symptoms were usually less severe second time around. So your son may have just been unlucky. Or the first test was inaccurate as many still are and he did not have it then.

 

[west didsblue]

The ONS just released a study into reinfection.

Between 26 April and 5 June as Delta was rapidly replacing everything else in UK they found the reinfection risk was very low.

133 identified reinfections from 17, 434 people in the study. If I understood the numbers right.

Will let one of the real experts in here comment on the reliability of that data. And its meaning.

Hopefully my son is just an anomaly or maybe first time round it was a false positive.

 

[Manchester33]

Hopefully my son is just an anomaly or maybe first time round it was a false positive.

It is possible that he just continued to have COVID over that time, rather than getting infected again. Given the way anti-bodies work, it seems unlikely that he would have caught it again so quickly?

 

[west didsblue]

It is possible that he just continued to have COVID over that time, rather than getting infected again. Given the way anti-bodies work, it seems unlikely that he would have caught it again so quickly?

I suppose it's possible but he had quite a few negative tests in between the two, and second time round his symptoms appeared at exactly the same time as his mates so it's very likely he caught it when he was with them. I think it's more likely that first time round it was a false positive.

 

[Healdplace]

Interesting comparison of the difference between the last big wave as it was rising that focused on the NW before it spread elsewhere during last autumn - pre any vaccines - and today where a similar thing is happening with widespread vaccinations.

27 October UK Cases 22, 885. NW cases 4937 (Manchester 443 Bolton 239 Stockport 208)

Deaths UK 367 NW 68

Patients UK 10, 938 Ventilated 903

Patients NW 2566 Ventilated NW 212


YESTERDAY UK CASES 22, 868 NW cases 4168 (Manchester 451 Bolton 121 Stockport 142)

Deaths UK 3 NW 2

Patients UK 1721 Ventilated 297

Patients NW 498 Ventilated NW 101




THIS is why it looks like we are in a very different place because of the vaccines. Even with a far more infectious variant.

Though as you can see the ventilator numbers are the one thing less reduced than we might hope.

So whilst the death numbers right now are massively better the risk of an increase here as it spreads must exist.

But it looks virtually certain this wave will impact far, far less than that one did. And the reasons are obvious.

 

[Eds]

The footage of those two people harassing Whitty is pretty grim, but this is more disturbing. A group of protestors outside his house chanting "murderer" and "traitor". What the fuck is wrong with these people?!

Fucking hell, this country is grim. What a bunch of wankers. This country seriously needs a reform of the CJS, extra prisons and staff to run them American style. Fed up of sharing oxygen with these people.