Coronavirus (2021) thread

[117 M34]

Zahawi now saying people still expected to wear masks in indoor enclosed spaces after 'freedom' day.
But this seems to contradict what Government ministers have been saying they will do after July 19 ( not to mention 'no mask' BoJo in the back of his car the other night).
Anyone know what's going on Jeff?

Should and have to are different things.

 

[splinter]

looks like “freedom day” isn’t going to be “freedom day” and social distancing is going to continue despite the fact no body is dying of the thing any more.

192 deaths last week

 

[Gabriel]

Looks like its going to be all restrictions removed except masks in indoor public spaces (trains, shops, bars etc).
Seems reasonable to me, but it will only have the effect intended if it's enforced, and let's be honest, it has never been enforced.

‘there's an expectation on people to wear masks indoors, in crowded places’

That’s an interesting report, and sorry to be pedantic, but where the BBC(?) has decided to punctuate rather alters what he said. It sounded to me as if he said ‘masks indoors in crowded places’, which is not the same and much less of a restriction.

 

[Big-P]

Where did you read this mate?

Not read anything pal, just can see the changing rhetoric.

 

[PannickAtTheDisco]

You can still get bothered by Test and Trace when people say who their contacts have been.

snitches.

 

[Rammy Blue]

You can still get bothered by Test and Trace when people say who their contacts have been.

Your “mate” would have to be a bit of a dick to throw your name in.

I‘m only talking on a personal note, but having had to isolate for 10 days due to my kids having covid, and me still negative so obviously I’m currently immune, and the vaccine has done its job, so if anyone thinks I’m isolating again between now and mid Aug then they are fucking dreaming, hence my app is now off.

 

[Big-P]

192 deaths last week

Yeah a fraction of the amount of deaths we’d normally have. People die everyday unfortunately, some from infectious diseases that are relatively harmless to the vast majority of the population (like COVID). Vaccines have worked, the link between infections and deaths is broke, it’s over. People who want this to continue are cult like in their demands and wishing for restrictions to continue. Does my head in. How many of them deaths were down solely to COVID? Very few I imagine.

 

[Healdplace]

Coming from you , that is very comforting to read.

Thank you.

Thank you but I am no expert, There are others on here who are. So listen to them too as well as my purely amateur assessments. It is simply common sense from the past 15 months watching the numbers carefully, N more no less.

On Andrew Marr this morning the minister was asked if Boris had lied by saying last week the vaccines had severed the link between catching Covid and death when the doctors said it had severely reduced that link but not cut it entirely.

The latter is more true than the former but it is a choice of words not a deception as long as you understand the difference. It is a pretty big reduction - though less from Delta than the previous variants.

Hence the likelihood of us needing - as we do with flu - to play a game of modifying vaccines to respond to the latest new variant better than the last version did.

This is the future of the next few years. And the hope is we can cone to view Covid as like flu - a damgerous disease that can kill the vulnerable - but which with constant tweaking and annual vaccinating we can keep to levels that allow normal life to go on.

Opening up now is the first step in that future. It will hopefully not get derailed by the next variant that replaces Delta whenever that may be. So far their impact has been real but not critical. And it may stay that way as there is no evolutionary advantage to the virus to bump off all its hosts. It will not be a deliberate strategy just happenstance if that were to occur before the world has got control of the variants we already have,

In that sense the success of Delta is quite good news because it is so successful it is hard to see what other variant will be able to see it off and why

And potentially that other variant could be worse for us than Delta, So there is some argument for letting it infect those who choose not to be vaccinated, You only get some protection by either of those two things. If you cannot impose vaccination Covid will impose itself on the rest,

From the graun:


Professor Sir Ian Diamond, the UK’s National Statistician has told Sky News that about nine in ten people in England and Wales have antibodies against coronavirus, up from two in ten in January.

The group with the lowest at around about 60%, is those age of 15 to 24, he said

No idea what the equivalent NL figures are, but that 40% susceptible, plus the fact that a fair slice of the 60% will be single vaxxed which is much less protective, suggests there is plenty of shoe for a further surge here yet.

I posted those numbers in here on Friday for the home nations, Will find them and repost,

 

[Healdplace]

IT WAS ACTUALLY WEDNESDAY I POSTED THEM BUT HERE ARE THOSE NUMBERS FROM LAST WEEK

THEY ARE UPDATED EVERY WEEK AND I POST THEM WHEN THEY ARE AND THEY KEEP GOING UP HAPPILY.


Latest ONS data on antibodies against Covid in UK - data for week ending 20 June.

From vaccination and catching it I assume

Versus the previous week


Scotland 84.7% - was 79.1%

N Ireland 87.2% - was 85.4%

England 89.8% - was 86.6%

Wales 91.8% - was 88.7%


Interestingly the Zoe App has the number of cases from high to low in a similar pattern (as in the reverse of this list - best to worst) - suggesting the two numbers feed into another as you would expect,

 

[Invisible Man's Bandage]

IT WAS ACTUALLY WEDNESDAY I POSTED THEM BUT HERE ARE THOSE NUMBERS FROM LAST WEEK

THEY ARE UPDATED EVERY WEEK AND I POST THEM WHEN THEY ARE AND THEY KEEP GOING UP HAPPILY.


Latest ONS data on antibodies against Covid in UK - data for week ending 20 June.

From vaccination and catching it I assume

Versus the previous week


Scotland 84.7% - was 79.1%

N Ireland 87.2% - was 85.4%

England 89.8% - was 86.6%

Wales 91.8% - was 88.7%


Interestingly the Zoe App has the number of cases from high to low in a similar pattern (as in the reverse of this list - best to worst) - suggesting the two numbers feed into another as you would expect,

If those figures are anywhere near accurate then you'd assume that there is very little room left for Covid to be in general transmission. The growth in the percentage of people with antibodies seems to be high too so more or less everyone will have them shortly.