Coronavirus (2021) thread

[Cityfan]

I have a devil's advocate question:

If the current mutations are being blamed on the unvaccinated, how are the vaccinated not blamed also? Mutations work on DNA which doesn't absolve vaccinated people in that factor because we all have DNA, regardless. This is known.

Mutations work on the DNA we have, so therefore if the vaccinated only suffer 'less symptoms', it doesn't mean they are less likely to carry.

Even more so, does it not mean it's possible the current variations just mutate around the current adapted DNA and are just as likely to transmit through a carrier?

Does this factor into covid apparently going down but increasing at the same time?

Is this not why people need double, triple and whatever booster shots?

Something is off with the data told.

To put it mildly you seem to not really understand the science.
It is the virus that mutates not the humans . Our DNA is irrelevant, it is viral RNA which is mutating.
People who are vaccinated are less likely to catch the virus and carry it and less likely to have symptoms.

 

[denislawsbackheel]

Not according to the CDC

CDC recommends the vaccinated wear masks in some areas

Administration officials had been struggling in recent days with how to respond to a rising number of Covid-19 infections and hospitalization among those who are fully vaccinated.

www.nbcnews.com

 

[Cityfan]

Not according to the CDC

CDC recommends the vaccinated wear masks in some areas

Administration officials had been struggling in recent days with how to respond to a rising number of Covid-19 infections and hospitalization among those who are fully vaccinated.

www.nbcnews.com

The CDC are saying if the vaccinated have the virus they may spread it, they are still less likely to get it.

 

[Healdplace]

24, 470 cases - another modest fall. But it is a fall.

65 all settings deaths. Quite high for a Sunday, up from 28 last week.

So England had a big rise here too for a Sunday.

Indeed 52 as opposed to 26 last week from England.

As said earlier - these deaths are the legacy of 2 or 3 weeks ago and 50K cases then.

The falling cases WILL mean they go down IN a couple of weeks.

 

[Healdplace]

21, 645 cases in England today

Was 23, 949 yesterday

25, 434 last Sunday

44, 777 the Sunday before

and 28, 111 the Sunday before that

 

[Healdplace]

The CDC are saying if the vaccinated have the virus they may spread it, they are still less likely to get it.

Indeed.

It is like saying you are less likely to win the lottery if you do not enter.

Versus you are more likely to win the lottery if you do.

But you are still very unlikely to win it whether you enter or not.

However, entering is the only certain way that you MIGHT win the lottery. And with Covid the odds of winning it by increasing your chances are much higher than say one in a million and more like one in a hundred with a bad variant.

Vaccinations HELP all the measures from death to passing it on to others.

But they do not entirely eliminate the risk - just minimise it - and if you DO choose to enter the lottery of catching and spreading Covid by not vaccinating yourself then you are much more likely to cause spread than if you do get vaccinated.

But you might still be lucky/unlucky and find that winning ticket has blown into your driveway by a freak of nature when somebody dropped it.

 

[BlueAnorak]

Blackpool hospital medics under unprecedented pressure in crowded A&E

Doctors say a large number of those arriving at the casualty unit did not need life-saving treatment

www.lancs.live

Warning as Sunderland and South Tyneside hospitals under pressure with record A&E attendances

Health bosses at South Tyneside and Sunderland NHS Foundation Trust are urging members of the public to use health services sensibly as staff continue to deal with the pressures caused by the Covid-19 pandemic.

www.sunderlandecho.com

Pressure at Preston hospital continues despite lower Covid rates

A leading emergency medicine consultant at the hospital appealed for “support” from members of the public

www.lancs.live

Pressure on the NHS is much worse than I thought, says Andy Burnham

"The NHS in Greater Manchester is possibly going through its toughest time of the pandemic, right now"

www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk

Covid: pressure on Bristol hospital causing 'challenging' period

Covid patients and isolating staff are stretching resources at Bristol's Southmead Hospital.

www.bbc.co.uk

Newcastle's hospitals 'under more pressure' than ever

Newcastle's hospitals are facing rising Covid cases, staff self-isolating and a heavy workload.

www.bbc.co.uk

It’s pretty endless. Up and down the country. Hospitals are under severe pressure.

I repeat. Nothing like January. Nothing.

 

[Healdplace]

Agree Blue Anorak.

The January v Now numbers from hospital I posted across all measures on Friday in here show it is MILES away from January in every single measure.

 

[BlueHammer85]

I repeat. Nothing like January. Nothing.

‘and yet the reality has definitely not moved on inside our hospitals.

"This hospital, but also the NHS more broadly in Greater Manchester, is possibly going through its toughest time of the pandemic, right now."

 

[Healdplace]

HERE IS THAT POST ON FRIDAY COMPARING NOW WITH JANUARY


On 24 Jan we had 30,004 cases - similar number to now. ( NB It WAS similar two days ago but has fallen twice since)

We had just about been at the peak of deaths and hospitalisations in that wave but only knew that later. And a week or two earlier cases had been 20K or more higher driving those patient and death peaks 2 - 3 weeks on.

Looks hopefully pretty similar to now in profile.

Using two days before (as 24 Jan was a Sunday so 22 Jan was also a Friday

THEN there were 38, 257 in hospital v now 5916

THEN there were 4076 on ventilators v now 869

THEN there were 1401 deaths v 68 today

THAT IS THE VACCINE EFFECT FOR ANYONE STILL PONDERING IF IT IS WORTH HAVING ONE