Coronavirus (2021) thread

[shemnel]

It's almost certainly a response to the lost revenue from the product recalls they've been suffering for approx. 2 years.

i believe aimed mostly at higher income countries (e.g. EU), as middle income are half price (i think, or reduced anyway) and low income countries will remain cost price.

 

[True_Blue69]

Nearly 4,000 new cases in Israel yesterday.
https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/c...4000-cases-as-cabinet-prepares-to-meet-675707

Stop testing once the vaccination program is complete. The hospital numbers and deaths they are talking about are nothing unusual.

 

[Healdplace]

Nearly 4,000 new cases in Israel yesterday.
https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/c...4000-cases-as-cabinet-prepares-to-meet-675707

Unless I missed it what that article does not tell you is WHO is catching this?

The ones they did not vaccinate? The too young to be vaccinated or who said no? Is this mostly reinfection of the Pfizer vaccinated (the only one they used I believe)? Or is it Delta breaking through? Or another variant entirely?

The case numbers rising as the article sees all important tells us very little per se.

 

[Healdplace]

WALES DATA

0 deaths - was 0 last week

581 cases - was 704 last week

7.3% positivity - was 7.5% last week

 

[grunge]

Stop testing once the vaccination program is complete. The hospital numbers and deaths they are talking about are nothing unusual.

As a counter point, If you stop testing you inherently stop looking for variants as that's part of the test process. Your only sign that a new really bad variant kicks in is after hospitalisations/deaths spike past the "norm", which would then mean containment is impossible as community spread has already occurred.

While in the long run testing will have to stop, doing so right now would be undeniably a risky move. Vigilance is the sensible way to go here I feel. If we had all been more Vigilant at the start of this things would have been very different.

While direct action should only come from hospitalisations/deaths. monitoring at the moment is needed.

 

[Johnny Mars Bar]

As a counter point, If you stop testing you inherently stop looking for variants as that's part of the test process. Your only sign that a new really bad variant kicks in is after hospitalisations/deaths spike past the "norm", which would then mean containment is impossible as community spread has already occurred.

While in the long run testing will have to stop, doing so right now would be undeniably a risky move. Vigilance is the sensible way to go here I feel. If we had all been more Vigilant at the start of this things would have been very different.

While direct action should only come from hospitalisations/deaths. monitoring at the moment is needed.

That's a sensible middle ground that I agree with

 

[Healdplace]

Doctors are now starting to back up the importance of the hospital data I have been posting each evening which is the key reason the falls in cases since restrictions ended can be said to be real not some artefact of testing.

The data last night was very encouraging if you missed it in here.

There was a rise Monday (but always is after the weekend) - and even that was lower than last week.

The week to week UK patient numbers were up just 200 week to week - the lowest increase in some time.

So the fall is not just in case numbers but cases that are symptomatic enough to require hospitalisation,

It might yet change -but Dr Raghib Ali - an acute medicine specialist at Oxford and part of the epidemiology unit in Cambridge calls it an 'important milestone' as it is the first time in the Covid outbreak that hospital numbers have fallen 'outside of a lockdown.'

IF INTERESTED CHECK OUT PAGES 3428 and 3429 WHERE THE DATA IS POSTED IN DETAIL IN SEVERAL POSTS TO MAKE THEM EASIER TO READ - ONE FOR ADMISSIONS, PATIENTS, VENTILATED, REGIONS AND THE UK TOTALS.

 

[Scottyboi]

Another sad one, fit healthy man thought he wouldn't need the vaccine due to being so healthy.

 

[splinter]

Another sad one, fit healthy man thought he wouldn't need the vaccine due to being so healthy.

Just read all the tweets..not good. Take the fucking vaccine

 

[True_Blue69]

As a counter point, If you stop testing you inherently stop looking for variants as that's part of the test process. Your only sign that a new really bad variant kicks in is after hospitalisations/deaths spike past the "norm", which would then mean containment is impossible as community spread has already occurred.

While in the long run testing will have to stop, doing so right now would be undeniably a risky move. Vigilance is the sensible way to go here I feel. If we had all been more Vigilant at the start of this things would have been very different.

While direct action should only come from hospitalisations/deaths. monitoring at the moment is needed.

Good point. Maybe they should stop publishing test figures to avoid the inevitable media crap that comes with both rises and falls.