Yes, but most young people will argue that their immune systems will handle it. My main reason for taking the vaccine was more societal than personal. If the virus in transmitting between vaccinated just as much as the unvaccinated, then it defeats my purpose somewhat. There is also concern that mutations can occur between the vaccinated.No. Vaccines make you less ill if you catch it when vaccinated. If they didn't 1000+ would be dying every day at the moment
25% of those dying are under 35 at the moment.Yes, but most young people will argue that their immune systems will handle it. My main reason for taking the vaccine was more societal than personal. If the virus in transmitting between vaccinated just as much as the unvaccinated, then it defeats my purpose somewhat. There is also concern that mutations can occur between the vaccinated.
I've just had a look at the ONS data on age of death involving Covid. As you probably know, that means any death where death is mentioned on the death certificate.
The readily available data stretches back to the week ending 12th Feb.
Overall, there are 395 attributed deaths in the 15-44 age group.
Given an estimated 21.5 millions in this age group, I make it that the risk of death in this group overall since February is around 0.0018%.
Of course, we don't know what % of those who died did so primarily because of Covid. We also don't know what proportion had been vaccinated, either wholly or in part.
I personally would hesitate to label anyone as being 'selfish' given these uncertainties, but others appear to have no such qualms.
25% of what number? I'm pro vaccine btw. I just think this developing information is concerning.25% of those dying are under 35 at the moment.
6% of cases get Long Covid regardless of age.
Sat Aug 07, 2021 3:51 pm
What's the story with the delta variant being transmissible between vaccinated and unvaccinated alike? Is this a game changer regarding vaccines? Also, this new variant from Columbia is apparently suspected to be able to evade the current crop of vaccines, although this has not been confirmed. Have to say, I'm so f**king over this.
I'll respond to this tomorrow as it's very later where I am...but Faucci has explicitly said that the vaccinated have the same viral load as the unvaccinated'transmissible between vaccinated and unvaccinated alike' is the wrong way to say it.
Delta IS transmissible by the vaccinated but at much lower rate. UK last week estimated vaccinated people likely caught and passed on the virus 50% as much as the unvaccinated.
Personally, I think that's likely to underestimate the effectiveness of the vaccine at preventing transmission - Delta is the first time we've let a variant spreading through a vaccinated population, but also a population in a non-lockdown state, millions crowding into the pubs and mate's houses for summer and the Euros.
The chance of getting serious illness is reduced in line as we thought at the beginning - ten times (or so - likely to be more) less likely to get a serious case. It's too early and too big a question to say how much less likely to get long Covid you are.
All the focus on death numbers has led people to form the impression that this was the only significant risk COVID poses to people. That is a big mistake to make. Studies are showing those who 'recover' fully may incur a whole load of nasty damage to their bodies, from grey matter loss, to permanent lung damage, to cardiovascular inflammation. It's my assumption that unfortunately in years to come we are going to see heart disease numbers rise significantly.
Ironically, for people who assume their immune system will handle it, the real worry is the damaged caused to us by our immune system - in response to COVID.
It frequently, randomly provokes a misdirected and over the top reaction from the immune system, and that is what is likely to be leading to the damage to the organs that doctors are seeing in adults of all ages, and this is what is behind what we call "severe covid", "long covid" - and everything else between.
The vaccine is not perfect - no such thing is possible. But it is an awful lot safer than any of the variants. Unwanted effects will occur, but at a massively lower rate.
Fauci's comment was out of the blue for me, and does not neccessarily tally with all the other opinions and statements. He needs America to wake the fuck up to Delta, and wear masks when possible.I'll respond to this tomorrow as it's very later where I am...but Faucci has explicitly said that the vaccinated have the same viral load as the unvaccinated.
Those 16 deaths were over five recent days. We don't know the figures for the last 18 months so it is impossible to assess the odds at this time.There are around 21.5 million people in the 16-44 age range in England(*), so 16 deaths means you had a 0.0001% chance of dying a death 'involving' Covid.
(*) The ONS data on this topic covers the 16-44 age range.