Coronavirus (2021) thread

[foetus]

You'd think there would be a massive health drive by the government now since Covid.

Perfect opportunity to pump loads into healthy school meals, classes for kids on what's healthy to eat and so forth.

Not only for Covid but for other health problems as well.

Could you imagine how much money this country would save in the long run if we taught kids how to eat healthier and provided the means of doing so?

Nah easier to lock people in their homes than to promote healthy lifestyles and personal responsibility.

 

[Manchester33]

Schools and Unis reopen soon and that is going to prompt a steep rise in cases. Restrictions will follow.

Let’s see what happens first. With the vaccines we’re in a vastly better position than this time last year.

 

[hammocity]

You'd think there would be a massive health drive by the government now since Covid.

Perfect opportunity to pump loads into healthy school meals, classes for kids on what's healthy to eat and so forth.

Not only for Covid but for other health problems as well.

Could you imagine how much money this country would save in the long run if we taught kids how to eat healthier and provided the means of doing so?

A lot of parents do bring their children up well and promote healthy lifestyles and wellness. However, there's a significant number of kids whose parents are frankly a disgrace. During the pandemic you'd see them in the supermarkets, obese, no masks, not setting an example. Don't blame the Government, a lot of these are in benefits and use that money for booze, fags, takeaways, etc. It's not the kids fault but how do you tackle it when the parents take zero responsibility?

 

[Toney’s bookie]

Users of the Zoe app will be familiar with the new, updated top 5 symptoms for Covid among the vaccinated.

Symptoms

Here is the current ranking of COVID symptoms after 2 vaccinations:

Headache
Runny nose
Sneezing
Sore throat
Loss of smell
The previous ‘traditional’ symptoms as still outlined on the government website, such as anosmia (loss of smell), shortness of breath and fever rank way down the list, at 5, 29 and 12 respectively. A persistent cough now ranks at number 8 if you’ve had two vaccine doses, so is no longer the top indicator of having COVID.

Really good video from John Campbell here…



Within it, he gives a likely explanation for the change in symptoms for those that have been vaccinated.

Basically, the vaccine, having been introduced by direct injection into the bloodstream, while protecting systemically the majority of the body, doesn’t cross the mucus membrane and provide protection on that side. So anything on the other side of the mucus membrane is still at risk from showing symptoms of Covid, so sore throat, cough, headaches etc. But the vital organs and other parts of your body are better protected. (This is my simple layman understanding of why the major symptoms have changed - you’d have still had these symptoms if unvaccinated, but probably barely noticed them among the more severe symptoms from the rest of your body).

Another interesting point raised in the video, is that of booster jabs, and whether we should be reliant on them or not. A very good argument is made against becoming reliant on further vaccine jabs.

The vaccines all work by targeting the spike protein. But the virus is made up of 28 different proteins, any one of which will trigger an immune response from someone previously infected. This means that someone who has been exposed to the virus itself is likely far better protected against further exposure, than someone who has simply been vaccinated - the vaccine, and hence the vaccinated only group, are reliant on the virus keeping its spike protein, which further mutations may, or may not do.

By being vaccinated, and then having exposure to ‘the real thing’, one would become far better protected against the virus, and any mutations, than relying on the vaccine alone. Basically far better protection than relying on annual boosters, which protect against the spike protein alone, rather than the whole gamut of other proteins. There is a case for immuno-compromised people having boosters, and any other group that may not produce sufficient antibody protection naturally (the elderly?) - but for the vast majority, who are double vaccinated, the best solution is likely to be to get on with our lives, accept that we may be exposed to the virus, accept the mostly mild symptoms, and then appreciate that we now have the best possible protection against further serious infection.

Those adults that have chosen not to get vaccinated can take their chances with the full monty, but for the rest of us, the message in the video is that once double vaccinated we should basically just get on with our lives.

Oh and it makes me even more convinced that Australia and New Zealand are screwed and have dug themselves a seriously deep hole they are going to struggle to get out of.

 

[foetus]

Oh and it makes me even more convinced that Australia and New Zealand are screwed and have dug themselves a seriously deep hole they are going to struggle to get out of.

Here in NSW we might be lucky enough to get haircuts next month if we’re fully vaccinated. Oh thank you, Gladys! How very kind of you! Very 1984 vibes here at the moment.

 

[grunge]

I had been having similar thoughts to what's in that video. that in effect catching the virus after being vaccinated is probably the best booster you will ever need.

that being said, we probably should booster those at risk. the ones that could still get seriously ill from it after 2.

Or maybe the booster's need to be more traditional inoculation ( inert virus ) rather than vaccines.

 

[roubaixtuesday]

This means that someone who has been exposed to the virus itself is likely far better protected against further exposure, than someone who has simply been vaccinated

This sounds good in theory, but in practice, from data I've seen, vaccination provides better and more reliable infection.

From the British Society for immunology

COVID-19 immunity: Infection compared with vaccination | British Society for Immunology

The British Society for Immunology has partnered with the UK Coronavirus Immunology Consortium (UK-CIC) to create an infographic which explains the similarities and differences in immunity against COVID-19 gained through infection with SARS-CoV-2 compared with vaccination. Scroll down this page...

www.immunology.org

Would be interested to see a source for the claim that natural infection is better.

 

[roubaixtuesday]

Oh and it makes me even more convinced that Australia and New Zealand are screwed and have dug themselves a seriously deep hole they are going to struggle to get out of.

Why?

We infected a significant slice of the population before vaccines and 150,000 died as a result.

Worst case for Aus/NZ is that the same slice of the population is infected, but after vaccination, so far less will die.

How is this a deep hole?

 

[west didsblue]

Users of the Zoe app will be familiar with the new, updated top 5 symptoms for Covid among the vaccinated.


Really good video from John Campbell here…



Within it, he gives a likely explanation for the change in symptoms for those that have been vaccinated.

Basically, the vaccine, having been introduced by direct injection into the bloodstream, while protecting systemically the majority of the body, doesn’t cross the mucus membrane and provide protection on that side. So anything on the other side of the mucus membrane is still at risk from showing symptoms of Covid, so sore throat, cough, headaches etc. But the vital organs and other parts of your body are better protected. (This is my simple layman understanding of why the major symptoms have changed - you’d have still had these symptoms if unvaccinated, but probably barely noticed them among the more severe symptoms from the rest of your body).

Another interesting point raised in the video, is that of booster jabs, and whether we should be reliant on them or not. A very good argument is made against becoming reliant on further vaccine jabs.

The vaccines all work by targeting the spike protein. But the virus is made up of 28 different proteins, any one of which will trigger an immune response from someone previously infected. This means that someone who has been exposed to the virus itself is likely far better protected against further exposure, than someone who has simply been vaccinated - the vaccine, and hence the vaccinated only group, are reliant on the virus keeping its spike protein, which further mutations may, or may not do.

By being vaccinated, and then having exposure to ‘the real thing’, one would become far better protected against the virus, and any mutations, than relying on the vaccine alone. Basically far better protection than relying on annual boosters, which protect against the spike protein alone, rather than the whole gamut of other proteins. There is a case for immuno-compromised people having boosters, and any other group that may not produce sufficient antibody protection naturally (the elderly?) - but for the vast majority, who are double vaccinated, the best solution is likely to be to get on with our lives, accept that we may be exposed to the virus, accept the mostly mild symptoms, and then appreciate that we now have the best possible protection against further serious infection.

Those adults that have chosen not to get vaccinated can take their chances with the full monty, but for the rest of us, the message in the video is that once double vaccinated we should basically just get on with our lives.

Oh and it makes me even more convinced that Australia and New Zealand are screwed and have dug themselves a seriously deep hole they are going to struggle to get out of.

Why are Oz and NZ screwed? If they open up after say 80% are vaccinated, presumably the disease will spread through the community in the same way as everywhere else and people will gradually pick up the additional immunity in the same way that anyone catching it anywhere whilst vaccinated will. There will be a surge of hospitalisations but nothing like what we've seen in Europe and the US.

 

[JamesMCFC]

A lot of parents do bring their children up well and promote healthy lifestyles and wellness. However, there's a significant number of kids whose parents are frankly a disgrace. During the pandemic you'd see them in the supermarkets, obese, no masks, not setting an example. Don't blame the Government, a lot of these are in benefits and use that money for booze, fags, takeaways, etc. It's not the kids fault but how do you tackle it when the parents take zero responsibility?

Oh, I know mate. I feel sorry for the kids with parents like that.

I know there is a fine line between what kids should be taught in school and what parents should be teaching them.

I just feel kids are obviously curious about Covid at the moment so trying to educate them on the back of this about healthy living in schools will help no doubt.