Coronavirus (2021) thread

[daveiw01]

Not really. It goes beyond that I think. An unvaccinated person has a much higher chance of getting ill and dying than a vaccinated person does, which as you say is their look out.

However, the problem is that there is also a much higher possibility of those unvaccinated people needing hospitalisation, which puts extra pressure on the health service and means that there aren't the resources to deal with serious illnesses other than Covid. That then has serious consequences for other people and is why I believe not being vaccinated (by choice) is extremely selfish.

I hope we follow Austria's example with mandatory vaccination but that is very unlikely.

As I've already said, locally we struggle to see the GP and are pushed into telephone consultations or going to hospital for triage instead, this is exacerbating the problem, this continues despite the 're-opening' of the UK.

I'd like to think that in a few years time we'll look back and smile at the handling of Covid19 not least some of the very poor decisions and flip flopping, but I genuinely fear that we'll be in much darker times, not necessarily as a direct result of the new 'plague'.

 

[MCFCTrick]

But we can’t just play laissez faire with an illness that is killing 150 per day in the UK.

According to Cancer Research statistics, more than 450 people died every day between 2016 and 2018. I would expect those figures to have risen, with the lassez faire that may sufferers have had to deal with in the past 18 months.
Two ladies in our family have been diagnosed too late due to not getting attention during this shitshow. Sad times.

 

[Manchester33]

I'm like you I just don't agree with this bullying and apartheid system for those not wanting the jab and I know some on this thread will pile in and say fuck them but it doesn't sit easy with me. I've had all mine including the booster yesterday so I'm not anti vacc by any means. Having the jab doesn't stop me catching it or spreading it but will hopefully stop me ending up six feet under if I do. If that's the case why am I allowed to go to concerns, pubs, on holiday etcetera when I've just as much chance of catching and spreading it as somebody unjabbed who isn't? If it kills them for being unjabbed then that's their look out.

It's the same as bloody lockdowns, this has to stop now. People should have a choice. Feel unsafe? Stay indoors. We can't keep on imposing martial law on civilisation willy nilly. Anyone doubting it's martial law only needs to look at Holland where they are firing live rounds at their citizens. Really? In bloody Holland??? Austria banning sections of its population from actually living a life. What next; internment camps??? I don't like where all this appears to be heading.

The bold section is incorrect. Vaccinated people catch and spread COVID, yes, but at a much lower rate than unvaccinated people.

unvaccinated people are also disproportionately ending up in hospital and causing a huge, unnecessary strain on the NHS.

 

[daveiw01]

According to Cancer Research statistics, more than 450 people died every day between 2016 and 2018. I would expect those figures to have risen, with the lassez faire that may sufferers have had to deal with in the past 18 months.
Two ladies in our family have been diagnosed too late due to not getting attention during this shitshow. Sad times.

Sorry to hear that, many will and have already died due to the delays in diagnosis caused by this. It's madness and all that seems to matter to far too many people. I wonder how things would have been without an extended furlough scheme...

 

[daveiw01]

The bold section is incorrect. Vaccinated people catch and spread COVID, yes, but at a much lower rate than unvaccinated people.

unvaccinated people are also disproportionately ending up in hospital and causing a huge, unnecessary strain on the NHS.

Vaccinated people are in hospital and dying too by the way.

Let me ask you a simple question, do you think it right to force people to take an experimental vaccine? I'll add again, that I've had 2 jabs, so far, but I find it totally unacceptable to force anyone to take it.

 

[Innsbruckblue]

Have I missed the thread regarding the latest actions in Austria?

'Days after Austria imposed a lockdown on the unvaccinated, it has announced a full national Covid-19 lockdown starting on Monday.

Chancellor Alexander Schallenberg said it would last a maximum of 20 days and there would be a legal requirement to get vaccinated from 1 February 2022.'

First country to re-introduce a full lockdown and first 'free' country to contemplate mandatory vaccines?

Austria to go into full lockdown as Covid surges

As well as Monday's lockdown, the chancellor says vaccinations will be compulsory from February.

www.bbc.co.uk

A 20-day lockdown from Monday, but the government have now said that it could be longer for the unvaccinated

 

[Manchester33]

Vaccinated people are in hospital and dying too by the way.

Yes at a significantly lower rate per head compared to unvaccinated people.

 

[jaseirai]

The bold section is incorrect. Vaccinated people catch and spread COVID, yes, but at a much lower rate than unvaccinated people.

unvaccinated people are also disproportionately ending up in hospital and causing a huge, unnecessary strain on the NHS.

What is the vaccine effect on reducing transmission in the context of the SARS-CoV-2 delta variant?

COVID-19 vaccines that have obtained WHO emergency use listing appear to have high efficacy against severe disease and death, but lower efficacy against non-severe infections, and emerging evidence suggests that protection against non-severe disease declines faster following vaccination than...

www.thelancet.com

"However, this study unfortunately also highlights that the vaccine effect on reducing transmission is minimal in the context of delta variant circulation. These findings have immediate public health implications."

 

[daveiw01]

Yes at a significantly lower rate per head compared to unvaccinated people.

This depends on which set of statistics and from which country, there is a lot of misinformation on both sides, muddying the waters.
The whole thing has been handled extremely poorly, from any perspective, on that I'm sure we can agree?

 

[PragueBlue]

Vaccinated people are in hospital and dying too by the way.

Let me ask you a simple question, do you think it right to force people to take an experimental vaccine? I'll add again, that I've had 2 jabs, so far, but I find it totally unacceptable to force anyone to take it.

This is from a news source in Holland:

The chance that a fully vaccinated person with the coronavirus SARS-CoV-2 will be admitted to hospital is 17 times lower than for a non-vaccinated person. The chance of ICU admission for a fully vaccinated person is 33 times lower.

Personally I agree with the vaccine being mandatory for those who are able to have it.