Coronavirus (2021) thread

[BlueHammer85]

I'm uncomfortable with it being mandatory if being honest

 

[Claytop]

Well, ignoring the principles of the thing for a second, this will absolutely set off riots and create further division in Germany. It'll be a fun few days for news crews and police forces there.

But coming back to the principles of the thing, it's scary to create what is essentially now a two-tiered society in Germany, especially along lines that concern peoples' private medical information. If someone has made the choice not to get the vaccine, they should have the right to make that choice without their freedoms being limited, especially when 70% of Germany's adult population are already vaccinated. If someone doesn't want to get vaccinated, I'll be disappointed with them, but (especially in western and central Europe) there are enough people jabbed now that we can pick up the slack for those who didn't want to. Vaccine efforts should be about striving for a common good -- the majority doing their part so that everyone can carry on as normal.

And who's to say that it'll stop at those who are unvaccinated? What if there's people in Germany currently saying "Well, I've had two jabs and I'm willing to take my chances with COVID now, so I won't have the booster". Will non-boostered people be locked out of public life until they've been injected a third or fourth time, like a good, obedient citizen? This is a government wielding far too much power over its citizenry, and it's doing so by guilt and in the name of "protecting public health". Last year, things like lockdowns were probably necessary and so, in a bit of a panic, we opted for them. But I remember being told almost a year ago that "we won't get back to normal until the vulnerable are vaccinated". A year on and we're still being told "you'll only get X when you do Y" or "if you don't do X then Y will happen".

So yeah, bonkers and scary move from Germany's government.

Fair point, I'm not overly keen on the decision myself to be fair.

 

[JamesMCFC]

Here's what the official Auschwitz Memorial Twitter page thinks of you loons trying to make such comparisons:

A bad comparison.

But don't make out the good guys are the ones who are advocating for unvaccinated to be banned from every day life

 

[M18CTID]

I'm uncomfortable with it being mandatory if being honest

Me too, but I'm fucked if I'm losing any sleep over it

 

[M18CTID]

A bad comparison.

But don't make out the good guys are the ones who are advocating for unvaccinated to be banned from every day life

I'm not being funny but some of them deserve to be ostracised from society. I'm not talking about your naive man in the street who falls for the odd Facebook post with false info - moreso those who use platforms to deliberately spread lies and misinformation to hundreds of thousands of people. Cunts like that are responsible for untold numbers of unnecessary Covid deaths and don't just need locking down. They need locking up.

 

[True_Blue69]

This is a crazy move and in my opinion is going to have massive implications for future generations. Has there ever been forced vaccination anywhere in the world before? If the powers that be are allowed to do it once, what is next?

The fact that some of the most pro-vax people on here aren't comfortable with it tells you all you need to know.

I'm fully vaccinated, so are all my family, daughter just had flu nasal shot etc. so pro-vaccine, but primarily pro-choice.

 

[BlueAnorak]

Yup. As far as I can tell, the data we have doesn't at all allow a confident prediction of the impact on UK population.

There's everything out there from total doom-mongers to outright denial.

The confluence of
- biological rationale for some immune escape (number and nature of mutations)
- rapid rise in SA
- genetic evolution of the variant suggesting very recent (Sept/Oct) first emergence

All point towards a potentially significant impact. But as you rightly point out, that remains to be tested in a highly vaccinated population.

The first data on UK prevalence is just starting to emerge. How that grows over the next couple of weeks should clarify a lot how serious or not this will be, I think?

Incidently, Alpha also had the S gene drop out.
0.4% this week
Let's assume that was yesterday - that equates to 192 cases yesterday, 576 next week,
Trebling (it's more infectious) gives us...
1,728 cases by 8/12
5,184 cases by 15/12
15,552 cases by 22/12
46,656 cases by 29/12

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

This is a crazy move and in my opinion is going to have massive implications for future generations. Has there ever been forced vaccination anywhere in the world before? If the powers that be are allowed to do it once, what is next?

The fact that some of the most pro-vax people on here aren't comfortable with it tells you all you need to know.

I'm fully vaccinated, so are all my family, daughter just had flu nasal shot etc. so pro-vaccine, but primarily pro-choice.

Smallpox?

 

[PragueBlue]

Germany locking down for all non vacc’d and Merkel saying mandatory vac from Feb.

Crazy times.

Good on them.

 

[grunge]

This is a crazy move and in my opinion is going to have massive implications for future generations. Has there ever been forced vaccination anywhere in the world before? If the powers that be are allowed to do it once, what is next?

The fact that some of the most pro-vax people on here aren't comfortable with it tells you all you need to know.

I'm fully vaccinated, so are all my family, daughter just had flu nasal shot etc. so pro-vaccine, but primarily pro-choice.

Not quite vaccines but Flouride in tap water is one example of mandated intervention.

BBC has a page on some examples.

Why mandatory vaccination is nothing new

Mandatory vaccinations have been with us for centuries, quietly saving lives – and they're often largely unopposed until something changes.

www.bbc.com